Thanks for the advice. We are actually in Annapolis on the Chesapeake Bay.
--- On Mon, 5/31/10, sailmark4 <[email protected]> wrote: From: sailmark4 <[email protected]> Subject: [IC27A] Re: Keel Question To: [email protected] Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 7:47 PM Vicki, It seems that you have the correct nuts but you really need to chase the threads with the correct die. Do you already have the old nuts off? If so, chase them with the die as close to the bottom of the bilge as possible. Use large,thick, fender washers (the largest and thickest you can find) first then the lock washers and nuts. To make sure you have the right die and nuts, purchase a little thread pitch gauge to check the threads per inch and thread pitch before getting and using the die. PB blaster is a decent rust penetrant but don't use it as a lubricant. WD 40 or some other light oil will work fine for lubrication. Furthermore, I wouldn't even use stainless nuts. A good grade 8 or cad plated grade 5 will work fine and won't gall the threads. You actually want a less noble nut than stud. Just lubricate them and after torquing to 80 LBS max., clean them and paint the nuts with some Rustolium or something similar. They will last for years. Do you happen to be in Seattle area? Mark C27 Solution #4289 --- In [email protected], Victoria Bayly <offmgr...@...> wrote: > > I actually have a local manufacturer of stainless ( 316 ) materials and I > made a friend there who gave me them for free. One fits and 2 don't - So off > to Home Depot I went and bought some alternatives and the 5/8 11 ( not > stainless ) from them fits up to the point of the rusted gunk on the bolts. > I did call Catalina and a week later I am still waiting for an answer from > them. So, someone on here suggested the size and we ran with it. Now I am > really wondering what is going on! I really don't want to have to pay someone > to come out to find a fix. So, that's what lead me to the retro fit - and now > I will have to order it from Catalina Direct as West Marine says it is a > special order item. > So, since we really want to launch this Friday we are now going to do the > following:1. Figure out how to get the rusted out old nuts clean2. Get the > rust gunk off of the bolts3. Get on any nut I can right now and then try to > get Catalina to call me back > Any suggestions?ThanksVicki > > --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Phil Agur <pja...@...> wrote: > > From: Phil Agur <pja...@...> > Subject: RE: [IC27A] Keel Question > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vicky, > >  > > Did you try getting the proper nuts from Catalina? West Marine > would be lucky to get the diameter and thread pitch correct (typically if you > miss the pitch they jam in a turn or two) but I suspect their eyes would glaze > over if you asked them which alloy stainless should to be used to prevent > galvanic corrosion between the keel bolts and the new nuts. The wrong alloy > will not show signs of rust but will hollow out like a microscopic version > Swiss > cheese and fail mechanically. > >  > > If you wind up calling Catalina find out the diameter, thread > pitch, and the SS alloy number. Then you can call West Marine and see if they > can supply that exact nut. You should also stop by an auto parts store and by > a > tube of ant-seize, without it or another assembly lubricant the chances of > threading on the new SS nuts successfully is very low.  It is bound to seize > up > before you can get in position to torque to the final value. Then it will > become a fight to get it off again. > >  > > If you know you have the right nuts already you might also > consider buying a thread die that matches the thread diameter and pitch and > then lubricate and chase the threads with the die. It will destroy the stud if > is the wrong size, so no guessing, but if it is correct you should be able to > work it down the threads by hand and clean them right up.  > >  > > This should be a lot faster than renting the massive drill motor > buying the drills, and drilling the holes it take to install the lag bolts. >  I > believe you can spend hours drilling per hole unless you get a machinist to > regrind the drill bit point for a lead alloy. So much is manufactured overseas > now this is almost a lost art here now.  (Judy â€" Comments?) > >  > > > > Phil > Agur                  >  s/v Wing Tip > > C270 LE #184           > MMSI 366901790 > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > From: > ic...@yahoogroups. com [mailto:IC27A@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Victoria > Bayly > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:14 AM > > To: ic...@yahoogroups. com > > Subject: RE: [IC27A] Keel Question > > > > > >  > >  > > > > > > > > > > > To be honest - we rescheduled to launch for this upcoming > Friday and we need it done before launch and West Marine is around the > corner. We have 3 bolts that the nuts rusted / fell apart on and we have > been > trying to get the proper nuts but they just don't fit! They get about 2 > turns > on and stop. So, this is a last resort. > > Thanks! > > > VIcki > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Phil Agur <pja...@sbcglobal. net> > wrote: > > > From: Phil Agur <pja...@sbcglobal. net> > > Subject: RE: [IC27A] Keel Question > > To: ic...@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:40 AM > >  > > > Hi Vicky, >  > It’s a lead alloy. >  > Why West Marine when Catalina Direct > or Catalina Yachts will sell you the kit developed by the boats designer? >  >  > Phil Agur                  >  s/v Wing Tip > > C270 LE #184           > MMSI 366901790 >  >  >  > > > From: > ic...@yahoogroups. com [mailto:IC27A@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of VickiB > > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:09 PM > > To: ic...@yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [IC27A] Keel Question > > >  >  > > > > > I have a 82 and I am wondering if the keel is iron or lead. We want to do > the keel bolt kit from West Marine and I am not sure which one to get. Any > ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks > > Vicki > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
