--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > how can a properly, ie. Not Tight,
> > at the correct location nose band, cause pain.......I think it
> can if
> > its tight, but so can a halter, or a bridle or any tack......
> 
> 
> What happens is that the noseband keeps the horse's mouth closed on
> any kind 
> of pain or discomfort.  He cannot get away from the rider's hands,
> the bit, ulcers in his mouth, etc.  It is used to disguise the
> horse not being trained 
> to accept the bit, the trainer / rider's poor hands, bad bit fit,
> etc.
> 
> It gives the rider an excuse *not* to listen to the horse.
> 
> 
> >>I have
> > been told, that the drop nose keeps the bit in the correct
> location,
> > not allowing it to move forward and nutcracker.....I know my
> horses
> > seem relaxed when you use them, again though, they are not tight.
> 
> It may be a protection for the horse in some cases from heavy
> hands, 
> incorrect bit, not being taught to accept the bit.  (That might
> seem contradictory to the above answer, but think about it.)
> 
> 
> Riding should be relaxing for the horse, and a main point in
> classical 
> riding / dressage is to relax the jaw.  That is not happening in
> today's 
> classical riding / dressage, and it's not what happens when the
> noseband is 
> brought into the picture.
> 
> I think it's one of those tools that can be used for "X", but if
> you know 
> how to do "X" properly, you don't really need it!
> 
> In other words, just something to spend more money on, rather than
> spending 
> time learning how to communicate with the horse.
> 
> 
> Judy



Thanks Judy, something for me to ponder on the horse we
start.....Sally already retrained Bylgia.....and Funi, well, he will
be using a noseband for awhile until Sally works with him more and
gets him more relaxed under saddle...he is Very Forward.....all of
our others are either not started yet or are in our opinions still
green......Skyfaxa has had 4 foals in the last 5 years....one of the
biggest reasons we sold Foss....I could not keep those 2 seperated.

Skye

     

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