>>> Thanks for the post Karen. It's even more difficult for someone starting 
>>> with horses to see where the training actually is when so much  force is 
>>> being used. It is very confusing.


We got our first horses about twenty years ago.  I remember vividly spending 
the first 6-18 months thinking, "I don't think that's right" and, No, that 
can't be" about SO many things that people told me.  I had a strong 
instincts for things I DIDN'T want to do.  Unfortunately, that didn't mean 
that I had a clue about how or what I should do.  Hopefully, 20 years later, 
we're not bumbling so badly, but I still get confused.  :)


>>> In any case it takes all the fun out of life and turns it into work.


Isn't that a fact!


>>> I like your posts. You make me think.


Welcome to the minority.  ;)


Karen Thomas, NC

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