On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:09 PM, John L wrote:

A statement "All messages containing this email-address domain are initially signed" would be correct for the dimwit that uses Yahoogroups, provided there is also an assertion "Only compliant services are used that retain initial signatures" can be added to this assertion. ...

You may rest assured that the dimwit will beat his tiny gorilla chest, make all of the most aggressive assertions, and then blame everyone but himself when nobody gets his Yahoogroups mail.

I tend to agree with you about this concern. Two different assertions can not be understood or used correctly.

The one assertion: (weak)
"All messages containing this email-address domain are initially signed"

This provides useful information, although not enough to block all unsigned messages.

The two assertions: (stronger)
"All messages containing this email-address domain are initially signed" +
  "Only compliant services are used that retain initial signatures"

This provides enough information to block all spoofed messages. It is also likely this assertion should only be applied in exceptional cases related to transactional messages. Otherwise there will be any number of upset administrators complaining about delivery problems. Here I agree with your concern, which also relates to the use of a trusted-domain list as well.

Assume that a trusted-domain list is communicated to the recipient via some form of annotation.

Why should anyone trust all messages signed by a trusted domain?

It seems there is a solution to handles both concerns about dimwit administrators and too broadly trusting all messages signed by a domain.

Provide some mechanism that allows specific messages to have the stronger assertion applied.

There have been several suggestions related to this topic:

 - Mark the key/signature to indicate a stronger assertion applies.
 - Allow email-address specific policy be applied.
- The DAC suggests additional headers (such headers might not be controlled by the administrator).

-Doug



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