> -----Original Message-----
> From: John R. Levine [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:39 PM
> To: MH Michael Hammer (5304)
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ietf-dkim] New Version Notification for
draft-levine-dbr-
> 00(fwd)
> 
> > We seem to agree that discard means "throw away".
> 
> Evidently.  But I do have the advantage of knowing what I meant when I
> wrote the section we're arguing about.
> 

And the rest of the world has the disadvantage of only knowing what is
written in the RFC. 

I don't recollect you proposing wording that included "silently" so it
isn't even possible for a person going back and look at the discussions
to know what you meant. 

We are therefore left with what you wrote and which the working group
came to a consensus on.

> > Now I'm really getting confused John. On the one hand you argue that
> > there are hordes of panting implementers anxiously awaiting the
> > opportunity to publish borked (a technical term) ADSP records
(compared
> > to their mailing practices) thus creating a situation where their
very
> > important mail will be discarded by any receiver that follows the
> > instructions of those implementers. (If the mail was not important
then
> > there would not be many - if any - complaints to receivers and this
> > discussion would be moot.)
> 
> That's why, as I have consistently argued since day 1, the correct
thing
> for implementers to do is to ignore ADSP completely, since there is
> nothing you can do with it that will produce better results than
ignoring
> it.
> 
> > So ADSP is a broken spam filter? Why would you present yourself as
the
> > co-author of a broken spam filter?
> 
> As I think I made pretty clear at the time, I crowbared my way into
the
> ADSP effort to try to minimize the damage.   If it were up to me, we
would
> have abandoned the effort without producing any RFC at all, but there
> were too many people who believed (and apparently some who still
believe)
> that it's a magic bullet against something.
> 
> R's,
> John

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