Randy Bush wrote:
> 
> > 1. Something OPES-like will be standardised in the IETF
> >
> > 2. Something OPES-like will be standardised in another organisation,
> >    perhaps one with less clue than the IETF about scaling and security.
> 
> i do not intend this to be a comment on the worthiness or not of the opes
> effort.  but i very much dislike this argument.
> 
> maybe someone else will load mrs. greenberg on the train, but it will not
> be i.

I very carefully refrained from making that argument; you (and others) are 
reading it into what I said, which was a factual observation. This is yet 
another game of whack-a-mole. 

My personal views on e2e transparency are well enough known (RFC 2775). 
I like it.

   Brian

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