Re: I am *NOT* a believer in the democratic process.

[Keith Moore]

> Keith -- I beg to differ.  There are a number of other groups that
> have considered taking their work to the IETF, but decided instead to
> just use the IETF WG Processes, as described in the relevant RFCs.

Indeed they have.  But that's orthogonal to the point I was making.

> So, the answer is, if you want to do it the IETF way, then just use
> the WG working rules, and take the results to the IETF when you are
> done, if the results look good enough.

No, that would be sheer lunacy.  Because it's quite often the case 
that such work:

- either doesn't consider the problem from enough different points 
  of view, or 

- suffers from a lack of technical competence, or

- was actually developed in a (semi-)closed environment in order 
  to favor certain stakeholders over others

It's one thing to say that other groups would do well to use certain 
parts of the IETF process, quite another to say that IETF should 
endorse the work of other groups.

Keith