>stef:> Keith -- I beg to differ. There are a number of other groups that
>> have considered taking their work to the IETF, but decided instead to
>> just use the IETF WG Processes, as described in the relevant RFCs.
>
>Indeed they have. But that's orthogonal to the point I was making.
>
>stef:> So, the answer is, if you want to do it the IETF way, then just use
>> the WG working rules, and take the results to the IETF when you are
>> done, if the results look good enough.
>
>No, that would be sheer lunacy. Because it's quite often the case
>that such work:
>
>- either doesn't consider the problem from enough different points
> of view, or
>
>- suffers from a lack of technical competence, or
>
>- was actually developed in a (semi-)closed environment in order
> to favor certain stakeholders over others
>
>It's one thing to say that other groups would do well to use certain
>parts of the IETF process, quite another to say that IETF should
>endorse the work of other groups.
COOK: good lord keith.... Surely stef's whole point is that the
Area Directors, IESG, and IAB need only accept work that WAS good
enough from THEIR own point of view.
it sounds like you are saying that it simply is not possible to
construct anything that could even merit IETF review unless you did
the construction from scratch within all the channels of the IETF?
If so it sounds like you are determined to keep the views of the
current AD's, IESG and IAB as a gate through which ALL ideas must
pass and are saying that it is flat out impossible for anyone to
develop working code that could pass the scrutiny test. How do you
know until, you see it?
sounds to me like doctrinaire rigidity.
>Keith
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