> It's also bad that there is little or no integration of intermediate 
> system vendors with end system vendors (or vice versa), because that 
> results in insufficient sharing of information between those two 
> industry segments. The IETF should be facilitating information 
> exchange, but it isn't working as well as it should (otherwise we 
> wouldn't have these problems, right?).

it's not clear that the problems are caused by lack of information
exchange, given time-to-market pressures that cause folks to ship 
product now and deny causing problems later.

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