Speaking as OPS AD who is currently on-line. The other OPS AD (David Kessens) is in the air and so is Harald.
Please refrain from this discussion on the DNSOP mailing list. I have seen the complaint and will investigate and come with an answer. The issue was between Dean and one of Rob Austein's email addresses, so I do not see a need to discuss this on this mailing list. So I declare this subject as a topic that is NOT a DNSOP mailing list topic. Pls refrain from posting to this list on this topic. Thanks, Bert (OPS AD) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: maandag 10 mei 2004 22:10 > To: Pekka Savola > Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Complaint on abuse of DNSOP lists > > > On Mon, 10 May 2004, Pekka Savola wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 May 2004, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > Point of order, please > > > > > > It seems that WG co-chair has begun to use an email > address that is > > > defaming Av8 Internet, Inc by returning business email to > users of Av8 > > > Internet claiming that Av8 Internet has hijacked some > address space. > > > > > > Av8 Internet hereby demands that the IETF immediately end > this behavior > > > and halt the defamation of Av8 Internet, Inc by IETF > representatives. > > > IETF representatives must use email addresses that are > not configured for > > > defamation of Av8 Internet, Inc. > > > > If you look at the message, you will note that it is a > bounce from the > > WG co-chair's _personal_ email address, directly to your email > > address. > > Actually, it bounces this way to all Av8 Internet Customers, > not just to > me. But it was a bounce to a message Mr. Austein posted on > DNSOP. It was > not private business. It was IETF business. > > Further, by reviewing the archives of DNSOP, I have found that Mr. > Austein's home address is <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, which he has used > exclusively for some time until March 1st of this year. He > first started > using the ISC.ORG address on a message involving > draft-ietf-dnsop-inadr-required. Perhaps coincidentally, this > draft is a > pet project of Mr. Austeins, and one to which I (and many others) have > raised serious objections regarding both misleading and > incorrect content > and procedural irregularities. The archives show that since > March 1st, > 2004, Mr. Austein has made all his DNSOP posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I'd say that everyone has the right to choose what mail to > accept (or > > not to accept). > > They don't when they are conducting IETF business. IETF rules > require that > participants not be excluded from IETF activities. WG chairs > and others > cannot refuse email from participants. > > As Joe Abley revealed previously, this configuration from > ISC.ORG isn't > meant to actually block spam. The idea is to make Av8 > Internet users have > to seek other email addresses by which to contact them, and to obtain > opportunities to defame Av8 Internet and perhaps others and > convince users > to seek other services. This is unlawful. Besides the defamation, it > would is an illegal group boycott, and an unfair business practice. > > Refusing email is one thing, though that is still not > permitted for IETF > business. Defamation by claiming addresses are hijacked is > quite another > thing. This abuse of email addresses is unacceptable, and > illegal, and I > can engage legal action if necessary to prevent an > organization like the > IETF from permitting this abuse to continue. > > Mr. Austein cannot be allowed to use the ISC.ORG address for IETF > business. > > > You might or might not have a point if this behaviour > happened on an > > IETF list, but that is not the case.. > > Actually, it is the case. This involves two IETF lists, and > the conduct of > an IETF representative on the DNSOP list. My republishing of > Mr. Austein's > defamation to the DNSOP and IETF list to make a complaint is a > republishment for which Mr. Austein and the IETF are legally > responsible > under US defamation tort law. > > Mr Austein as a representative of the IETF defamed Av8 > Internet to me, to > the customers of Av8 Internet, and to the readership of both > the IETF and > DNSOP lists. Mr. Austein is a co-chair of the IETF working > group. This > defamation came about through IETF working group business. > > The IETF is responsible for the conduct of its representatives on its > lists. It is unlawful to permit its representatives to use addresses > which are configured to defame IETF participants, and it is > against the > IETF rules to refuse email from IETF participants. > > Dean Anderson > President > Av8 Internet, Inc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ > This message was passed through > [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a sublist of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not all messages are passed. Decisions on what > to pass are made solely by IETF_CENSORED ML Administrator > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
