On Aug 14, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Russ Housley wrote:

> The IESG did make some changes to the voting procedures a couple of years 
> ago.  The change was to make it clear that a single DISCUSS position could 
> not block a document.  That is, the IESG believes in rough consensus too.  
> The current rules are available here:
> 
>   http://www.ietf.org/iesg/voting-procedures.html

Yes, I had read those procedures recently.   It's those very procedures that I 
have a problem with.

In particular this part is particularly heinous:

If an AD cannot get cooperation from the WG and cannot enter a ballot position 
that supports sending the document forward, then the AD should switch to 
"abstain."

That's completely inappropriate.   A document reviewer should never be expected 
to pretend like he doesn't have a problem with a document.   To expect an AD to 
change his vote to "abstain" is asking him to be dishonest and/or shirk 
responsibility. 

Keith

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