...and, at least in this case, if you look at similar hotels (e.g. the Starwood 
properties) in the area, you'll find that even the current 
pre-book-non-refundable-no-breakfast-in-some-cases-no-internet rates will be 
higher than the rate offered to us.  

There are also cheaper hotels, so it's all about having the benefits of staying 
at/very-close-to the meeting, or having to do some walk.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
> Sent: 23. elokuuta 2011 23:34
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:29:34AM -0700, David Morris wrote:
> 
> > For this to be a meaningful disccusion re. the success or 
> lack there 
> > of, we need to compare what we have vs. similar sized groups in the 
> > same season, etc. at the same venue.
> 
> _And_ having negotiated at the same time, as Ray pointed out 
> already in this thread.  Every time one of these discussions 
> comes up, people seem to forget that the negotiations are 
> happening several years in advance of the actual event.  
> Agreements about the future almost always require the party 
> buying to take some risk that they will be paying more than 
> the going rate at the time the actual sale date arrives.  In 
> the case of hotel agreements, the block negotiator takes some 
> risk that there will be a lower price or otherwise better 
> terms actually available at the time of the block being used. 
>  The hotel takes some risk that the block negotiator is 
> unable to deliver the actual room occupancy negotiated.  Each 
> is making a bet.  
> 
> If you don't like the cancellation terms (or other terms of 
> the bet), don't participate in it: don't make a reservation 
> in the IETF block.
> 
> A
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