On 26 Jul 2013, at 23:31, John C Klensin <john-i...@jck.com> wrote: > --On Friday, July 26, 2013 22:48 +0100 Tim Chown > <t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> That means the charter agreed from the bashing of the draft >> charter in the previous 40 minutes, not that a charter is >> already agreed. > > If there is something to be bashed for those 40 minutes, I'd > expect a link to at least a skeleton first draft. I note that > draft charter does have a link from the meeting materials page, > just not from the agenda. But, modulo the comment below, that > is a matter of taste to be working out between you, Ralph, and > the IESG.
The draft charter was placed where they usually are, on the BoF wiki. But I added a link to a specific draft charter file when I updated the agenda, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/87/agenda/dnssdext/. The other "problem" for mdnsext is that the second BoF has been given a different name, for various reasons, but that does make it a bit harder to locate the mail list and draft. >> True. Though the chair names are on the posters linked in the >> materials page, which I assume is well-advertised to newcomers >> as access to slides is rather important. > > As far as I know, the only "advertisement" is the link from the > "Agendas and Meeting Materials" section of the main meeting page > and the similar links from the Meetings entry on the IETF home > page. Now I'd personally like to see the "New Attendees" > category on the main meeting page changed to "New Attendees and > Participantes" and then including a link to a page that would > give hints about where these things are and how to navigate > around them. But that fairly clearly won't happen before Sunday > and YMMD. Well, I would certainly agree that the meeting materials page/area needs to be well advertised, if it isn't already, but I don't know what additional information newcomers are pointed at, not being one. >> And also on the BoF wiki, which you should know about. > > Yep. I know about it and where to find it. But, as I explained > in my note to Brian, I'm a lot more concerned about newcomers > and remote participants without years or experience than I am > about what I can find if I remember all of the reasonable places > where I might look. While we/you can try to guess what the problems are, it may be better to surveymonkey those who registered as newcomers in a couple of weeks and ask them about their experience, whether they were aware of certain things, and what could be done better. Tim
