On 7/26/13, SM <s...@resistor.net> wrote:
>
> The consensus of the IETF is that:
>
>    "newcomers who attend Working Group meetings are encouraged to
>     observe and absorb whatever material they can, but should not
>     interfere with the ongoing process of the group"

This is bad for IETF, why no interfer from new experience, does IETF
want to only be guided by longer-working people?

>
> It was also mentioned that:
>
>   "Working group meetings are not intended for the education of
>    individuals"

I think few ietf-WGs need to be educated or need mentoring, so
newcomers are recommended to help. I will add that it will be nice to
know the newcomers opinion about such consensus, and make an IETF
newcomer-WG consensus. The problem is that our IETF General Area (GA)
is still not covering all important issues and left to the IESG to
control thoes issues not the community. I requested before and still
want to do now, to suggest WGs in the GA, therefore, we avoid
discouraging reactions/decisions.

>
> The first quote might discourage newcomers from participating.  I
> suggest discussing about the two quotes during the orientation as
> they could be misunderstood.

Yes it does for me. I support your suggestion, because I don't think I
misunderstood, they seem clear to exclude newcomers and only include
groupings not individuals.

AB

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