@Rajiv, I think its your nature to keep yourself irritated. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian < [email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jemshid KK <[email protected]> wrote: > > This mail may not have nothing much to deal with the subject of this > > discussion. > > But I know Nishanth and what his intentions are. > > Hence a few comments in the mailing list deserve a reply. > > > > On 11 May 2010 11:56:52 UTC+5:30, Rajeev J Sebastian > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> WTF does that mean? > > > > Seems Rajeev needs to give a thought before writing such a sentence in > this > > mailing list. There are certain common etiquette we practice in Kerala, > and > > we have been practicing in this mailing list. > > I gave a lot of thought before writing that email. If there is "common > etiquette we practice in Kerala" there is also a common etiquette that > should be practiced on the Web: before you ask stupid questions or > write ranting emails that make no sense, or have any grammatical > structure, you ought to > Let the standard of questions, formattiing etc be defined for the mailing list. its a positive thing. I have done a bad job of making language illegible, in an attempt to make it very short. Sorry for that, a second time. > 1) google for an answer > Practical? User is supposed to own two systems, and connect the other to repair the faulty system to discuss online. If both are down, spend 20Rs/hour at internet cafe. (consider the rate of breakdown at USER level, frequency of incidence of errors in the mailing list itself gives an idea). we need better support system, and afterall. a better OS.(productive plans for betterment of OS) 2) write to distro developers; learn to ask smart questions before you do > that > User resigns from job, and invest time, energy and money in laerning code, to ask smart questions. 3) send your stupid rants to distro mailing lists > I will try to make it more full in meaning and defenition. when i clearly explained that the specific error is *not* the issue, in the first post I made, priority should have to make opinions about what i presented as an issue.and not to rectify the problems, even without asking for necessary details. > 4) RTFM > 5) RTFS > 6) fix the source to do what you want > Do you mean *user* should learn manual, source code and determine things to sort? please refer to the earlier posts, in which the '*user*' is contextualy described. You mean software testers i think. Try imagining a response to saying that to a 7th-standard students crowd, who are users of Linux. Get a car with a lot of Kevlar and Lexan. > 7) pay someone to fix the source to do what you want > > Yeah, we take and give. Its not just money. we contribute and get service in return. @Rajiv, ITS NOT LIKE YOUR "COPY RIGHTED" POSTS WHICH CANNOT BE USED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY FOR ANY OTHER PERSON who made a polite request. [as you mean in one of your previous post into this mailing list]. Its not just PAY IN CASH. we are discussing more relevant and positive transaction systems. Time Banking is Roaring around. >> If you cannot write English that anyone can > >> understand, please refrain from writing at all! > > > > @ Rajeev > > Dont think that you are the only listener and developer in this mailing > > list. > > If you can't understand, it could be a problem with your intellect. Stay > > away Rajeev. You may feel good. > > I don't feel good at all dealing with people like you. OK. (but why?). and how do you correlate it with the succeeding sentence you made? > If you cannot > deal with what you get with Ubuntu, then stop using it. Simple. > > It has been explained, wat is said of userfriendliness is not restricted to any distro or even platform.You dint read. you are targeting your weapons againist ubuntu. Reason? any other productive alternatives *for our society*? I intentionally poked the behaviour of *intentionally making things complex * for the user in FOSS world. If a solution is implemented in one distro, and not readily adopted into another, then its *something else* which is working inside. People has to be made aware, that these distros are not directed towards betterment of society, but intentionaly slowing down of evolution of linux. *Such distros and applications deserves no contributor attention*. Let some "ambassadors of propreitoryship" handle it.If any distro is found to be so, ilug-tvm should stop promoting it. If you want to help to improve it, learn a programming language, or > become a bug triager ... or even simpler, just report the goddamn bug. > Just stop ranting! > positive. and would make somebody annoy if certain bugs of significance are consistently not getting attention.(to annoy is not the right thing. Few people takes it positively, and pokes back constructive.Would be used only under circumstances.) > > >> > >> You don't make a whole lot of sense in this thread and your HTML > >> emails are very irritating and annoying. > > > > Rpeating @ Rajeev. Stay away you idiot. > > WTF?!?! > > >> > >> I request the admin to ban this idiot from the mailing list. > > > > Joke of the year ! > you said to ban me from this list. then you says I need not do that, I "dint take it in the right sense". So, what u said earlier was not what you really meant? Will that be called Incoherence?. Or should we learn *Derrida* and * Deconstruction* to interpret what is not written? what would a programmer feel if they are told to learn Derrida and F**off if not? [is the same when a user is instructed to learn code or F***OFF]. > > > > @Rajeev > > Hope you won't take things in the wrong sense. > > > > Coming to the point. > > Nishanth is the only person in the mailing list, who doesn't belong to > the > > techie group and at the same time actively participating in the > discussions. > > There is a point he is trying to convey to the developers. Those > developers > > in the list who want to contribute some thing useful to an average user > may > > listen to what he speak. > > Don't you think developers of various distros ALREADY KNOW THIS FACT? > Everyone and his mother is trying to develop a "easy to use distro". > NO, as it is percieved. There are respected efforts, but not entirely.either directed to wasteful processes as in making new distros, or the intentional maintanace of complexity earlier said. Such initiatives fail in large part due to LACK OF USER INVOLVEMENT. > Users tend to simply rant instead of being constructive. There are > tons of things you can do, none of which are "send ranting, irritating > annoying HTML email to unrelated mailing list". > Unrealted mailing list? what if Ilug-Tvm engineers a distro you are using tomarrow? atleast a DVD remaster? attempts have been there. SchoolOS admin is listening to us. I was so excited at the SchoolOS initiative, but bothers about lack of a policy statement, and its fate under current resources available to the project, especially when Govt spends on other projects for the same purpose. The same applies to ilug TVM, we may get a lot of more participation, if we have a better policy and better declared priorities. A better defined vision and plan for short term and long term. > > Regards > Rajeev J Sebastian > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged" > http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription visit > http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > @ Rajiv, I think I have not made any change in my views and arguments, except stopping RTF. had to repeat and repeat, as the problem which (i felt) is a serious flaw in increasing populatity of FOSS OS remained un attended or deviated. and I think we are gonna take this until dawn. @evrybody,danks :) , including Rajiv, for making positive comments on the aspects. 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