This is just a repetition of the above, with some high lighting. pardon for using RTF, but I would like to get opinion on whether this seems offensive.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:01 AM, nishandh M <[email protected]> wrote: > @Rajiv, > I think its your nature to keep yourself irritated. > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jemshid KK <[email protected]> wrote: >> > This mail may not have nothing much to deal with the subject of this >> > discussion. >> > But I know Nishanth and what his intentions are. >> > Hence a few comments in the mailing list deserve a reply. >> > >> > On 11 May 2010 11:56:52 UTC+5:30, Rajeev J Sebastian >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> WTF does that mean? >> > >> > Seems Rajeev needs to give a thought before writing such a sentence in >> this >> > mailing list. There are certain common etiquette we practice in Kerala, >> and >> > we have been practicing in this mailing list. >> >> I gave a lot of thought before writing that email. If there is "common >> etiquette we practice in Kerala" there is also a common etiquette that >> should be practiced on the Web: before you ask stupid questions or >> write ranting emails that make no sense, or have any grammatical >> structure, you ought to >> > > Let the standard of questions, formattiing etc be defined for the mailing > list. its a positive thing. I have done a bad job of making language > illegible, in an attempt to make it very short. Sorry for that, a second > time. > > >> 1) google for an answer >> > Practical? > User is supposed to own two systems, and connect the other to repair the > faulty system to discuss online. If both are down, spend 20Rs/hour at > internet cafe. (consider the rate of breakdown at USER level, frequency of > incidence of errors in the mailing list itself gives an idea). we need > better support system, and afterall. a better OS.(productive plans for > betterment of OS) > > 2) write to distro developers; learn to ask smart questions before you do >> that >> > User resigns from job, and invest time, energy and money in laerning > code, to ask smart questions. > > 3) send your stupid rants to distro mailing lists >> > I will try to make it more full in meaning and defenition. when i clearly > explained that the specific error is *not* the issue, in the first post I > made, priority should have to make opinions about what i presented as an > issue.and not to rectify the problems, even without asking for necessary > details. > > >> 4) RTFM >> 5) RTFS >> 6) fix the source to do what you want >> > Do you mean *user* should learn manual, source code and determine things > to sort? please refer to the earlier posts, in which the '*user*' is > contextualy described. You mean software testers i think. Try imagining a > response to saying that to a 7th-standard students crowd, who are users of > Linux. Get a car with a lot of Kevlar and Lexan. > > >> 7) pay someone to fix the source to do what you want >> >> Yeah, we take and give. Its not just money. we contribute and get service > in return. @Rajiv, ITS NOT LIKE YOUR "COPY RIGHTED" POSTS WHICH CANNOT BE > USED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY FOR ANY OTHER PERSON who made a polite > request. [as you mean in one of your previous post into this mailing list]. > > Its not just PAY IN CASH. we are discussing more relevant and positive > transaction systems. Time Banking is Roaring around. > > > >> If you cannot write English that anyone can >> >> understand, please refrain from writing at all! >> > >> > @ Rajeev >> > Dont think that you are the only listener and developer in this mailing >> > list. >> > If you can't understand, it could be a problem with your intellect. Stay >> > away Rajeev. You may feel good. >> >> I don't feel good at all dealing with people like you. > > OK. (but why?). and how do you correlate it with the succeeding sentence > you made? > >> If you cannot >> deal with what you get with Ubuntu, then stop using it. Simple. >> >> It has been explained, wat is said of userfriendliness is not restricted > to any distro or even platform.You dint read. you are targeting your weapons > againist ubuntu. Reason? any other productive alternatives *for our > society*? > > I intentionally poked the behaviour of *intentionally making things > complex* for the user in FOSS world. If a solution is implemented in one > distro, and not readily adopted into another, then its *something else*which > is working inside. People has to be made aware, that these distros are > not directed towards betterment of society, but intentionaly slowing down of > evolution of linux. *Such distros and applications deserves no contributor > attention*. Let some "ambassadors of propreitoryship" handle it.If any > distro is found to be so, ilug-tvm should stop promoting it. > > > If you want to help to improve it, learn a programming language, or >> become a bug triager ... or even simpler, just report the goddamn bug. >> Just stop ranting! >> > positive. and would make somebody annoy if certain bugs of significance are > consistently not getting attention.(to annoy is not the right thing. Few > people takes it positively, and pokes back constructive.Would be used only > under circumstances.) > >> >> >> >> >> You don't make a whole lot of sense in this thread and your HTML >> >> emails are very irritating and annoying. >> > >> > Rpeating @ Rajeev. Stay away you idiot. >> >> WTF?!?! >> >> >> >> >> I request the admin to ban this idiot from the mailing list. >> > >> > Joke of the year ! >> > > you said to ban me from this list. then you says I need not do that, I > "dint take it in the right sense". So, what u said earlier was not what you > really meant? Will that be called Incoherence?. Or should we learn * > Derrida* and *Deconstruction* to interpret what is not written? what would > a programmer feel if they are told to learn Derrida and F**off if not? [is > the same when a user is instructed to learn code or F***OFF]. > >> > >> > @Rajeev >> > Hope you won't take things in the wrong sense. >> > >> > Coming to the point. >> > Nishanth is the only person in the mailing list, who doesn't belong to >> the >> > techie group and at the same time actively participating in the >> discussions. >> > There is a point he is trying to convey to the developers. Those >> developers >> > in the list who want to contribute some thing useful to an average user >> may >> > listen to what he speak. >> >> Don't you think developers of various distros ALREADY KNOW THIS FACT? >> Everyone and his mother is trying to develop a "easy to use distro". >> > NO, as it is percieved. There are respected efforts, but not > entirely.either directed to wasteful processes as in making new distros, or > the intentional maintanace of complexity earlier said. > > Such initiatives fail in large part due to LACK OF USER INVOLVEMENT. >> Users tend to simply rant instead of being constructive. There are >> tons of things you can do, none of which are "send ranting, irritating >> annoying HTML email to unrelated mailing list". >> > > Unrealted mailing list? what if Ilug-Tvm engineers a distro you are using > tomarrow? atleast a DVD remaster? > attempts have been there. SchoolOS admin is listening to us. I was so > excited at the SchoolOS initiative, but bothers about lack of a policy > statement, and its fate under current resources available to the project, > especially when Govt spends on other projects for the same purpose. > > The same applies to ilug TVM, we may get a lot of more participation, if we > have a better policy and better declared priorities. A better defined vision > and plan for short term and long term. > >> >> Regards >> Rajeev J Sebastian >> >> -- >> "Freedom is the only law". >> "Freedom Unplugged" >> http://www.ilug-tvm.org >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "ilug-tvm" group. >> To control your subscription visit >> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> For details visit the google group page: >> http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en >> > > @ Rajiv, I think I have not made any change in my views and arguments, > except stopping RTF. had to repeat and repeat, as the problem which (i felt) > is a serious flaw in increasing populatity of FOSS OS remained un attended > or deviated. and I think we are gonna take this until dawn. > > @evrybody,danks :) , including Rajiv, for making positive comments on the > aspects. Expects more comments on the issue.I will try my best to converse > in better language. > > -- > > -- #//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////# "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" Leonardo da Vinci #//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////# -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
