From: maxtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well nothing changed on my end so it has to be Ebay/Paypal and now ING Direct. I wonder if my bank account web page works.
Might be a good idea to check! :)
Well, all I said was that business machines tend to go "obsolete" faster than consumer machines. That's nothing new, really ... at least with the companies I work with that use PCs, once a machine is two or three years old it's either given to the lowest flunky on the totem pole or just tossed outright.As for your comments about outdated computers I have to admit it holds water. Completely ridiculous but it does hold water in this day and age
As for my iMac I guess I will have to load OS X but what version? Jaguar,
Panther or the new Tiger.
Well, given that Tiger won't be out for at least 6-12 months, I'd say we can eliminate that one for now. :)
I'm writing this to you on an iMac G3/700 that runs Panther just great. Admittedly I replaced the original drive with a faster/larger one and upped the RAM to 576MB to get better performance, but it's really snappy and nice.
I don't know if Tiger will (in its finished form) run on these machines, but I suspect it will. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Tiger wasn't installable (or installable but quite limited) on the original iMacs due to the poor video card -- more and more of OS X's cool features depend on OpenGL and Radeon-class video.
Once Tiger is officially out and being used will IYou don't have to throw either machine out, even if that IS the case. You just repurpose those machines to non-browsing stations. The 5400 is still a great workstation/print or file server/fax machine etc. The iMac continues to be a great all-around performer and will do so even if Tiger's requirements are prohibitive.
have to throw my iMac out on the curb with my 5400/180 because Tiger won't
load on an iMac DV? It's not a decade old yet.
I have been using the
mac since I was doing design on a brand new SE/30 and it has been downhill
since. Bad Geo modems, bad designed Powerbooks, crappy Performa's, bad iPod
batteries, problematic iBooks, bad PAV boards in 6 month old iMacs and on
and on and on.
Puh-lease. Let's be just a teensy bit fair here, shall we? Most of the problems you mention happened over a decade ago. The "bad iPod batteries" thing is a complete myth. Yes, there have been isolated problems with some later models -- I recall the eMac video problems (fixed), the iBook hinge issue (fixed), and the poor PAV boards in the early iMacs (not iMacs from 6 months ago, that's just bs). And you're conveniently forgetting the major amounts of COOL we got during those periods as well -- the IIci (still one of the most versatile machines I ever owned), the early PowerPC line (flawless transition from 68K), the 604e family, the original iMacs and iBooks, the WallStreet, Lombard and Pismo Powerbooks (beloved by tens of thousands to this day), USB and Firewire (connection sanity at last!), the Newton (still the best pure PDA of all time), the Cube (wonderful but underrated computer), the Cinema Displays, the iPod and I could go on like that all afternoon. Like *any* company that takes real risks, there are a few duds among the hits. IMHO, however, Apple's ration of hit-to-miss is almost the exact inverse of Microsoft's.
Now my 5 1/2 year old iMac can't load a web page with any type of security. Great!
Well no, your iMac CAN load web pages with security -- but those security standards have been compromised and rendered obsolete. Security technology is rapidly evolving, mainly due to the poor programming practices of Microsoft, who's Windows OS dominates the market. Because of Window's myriad exploits and poorly-designed software, web site operators who deal with sensitive/important data et al must "make up" for it on their end, requiring ever-more-complex and elaborate measures on their part. The fact that your 5.5 year old iMac can't be expected to evolve that fast is neither it's nor Apple's fault. If it's anyone's fault, it's Microsoft's -- and the hackers that ruin the net for the rest of us, of course. Anybody who has followed technology for the past few years should now that the pace of evolution is, if anything, accelerating. A natural, normal consequence of that is obsolescence, and this concept is certainly not limited to Macs!
None of this excuses the fundamental problem here (and I'm sorry to be blunt, but ...) -- the fact that you waited a long time to accept the idea that the days of holding on to computers upwards of a decade are done and gone. Had you accepted the concept of buying a new computer every, let's say, 3-4 years back when you bought your iMac, you would have replaced it in 2003 with, let's say, an eMac or another iMac with a G4 in it -- a machine that would be serving your needs incredibly well today, and would continue to do so into the foreseeable future.
I find myself outgrowing the capacities of my current machines (both G3s), not because of evolving technology so much as evolving *ability* -- I now want to do things with these machines I wouldn't have considered doing when I bought them two and three years ago. I'm not upset about what my G3s *can't* do -- transcode video, burn movie DVDs or run Quartz Extreme (and thus most 3D games) because these things either weren't in the cards or weren't intended for these machines at the time. I understand that as we move on into exciting new realms like 64-bit computing and ultra-fast RAM with ultra-large displays, my work needs will change and could render even my next computer (which I expect will be a dual G5) obsolete as fast or faster than this crop went. The balance to that is that (at least the way I use the machines) they pay for themselves fairly quickly, and advancing technology allows me to increase my return on investment far beyond the cost of replacement.
For example: currently I do a fair amount of print work, but with a dual G5, I would probably expand into multimedia and video more seriously. Even a modest amateur with any talent in those areas can probably make enough inside a year to justify the entire system cost of an at-or-near-the-top configuration, and if you're talking refurb or middle-of-the-line setup you could cut down the payback level to inside a month or two.
I'm not saying you have no right to be disappointed that the technology you've grown used to has developed a spot of glaring obsolescence; I'm saying that the death announcement for OS 9 went out nearly two years ago, and the writing regarding hardware was on the wall when Panther (2003) didn't officially support anything prior to the iMac (1996). While I certainly hope that Tiger will be at least as well supported (meaning it should run on anything from 1999-on), I don't think Apple is under any obligation to guarantee the best performance from the bottom-end of those machines, and they've done IMHO a decent job warning consumers in advance when a model was about to go "obsolete."
_Chas_
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