Yea, we put webtrends into the cylindrical file shortly after they changed to that ludicrous licensing scheme. We switched to DeepMetrix LivestatsXSP and have been very happy with it as a replacement.
Andy On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 10:44 -0500, Matrosity Hosting wrote: > We used a piece of software called WebTrends Enterprise for about 3 > years. We paid handsomely for it in the beginning and paid the $700 a > year for "maintenance". They decided to change the rules by changing > the name of the software to Webtrends 7 and voiding out our existing > enterprise/unlimited license. This meant we had to pay for pageviews > if you can believe that. > > It took me 5 minutes in Google to find another company called Urchin > for $695 for each 100 profiles you needed. After talking to them it > seems that I was one of many Webtrends customers to leave over the > pricing model. We'll never go back even if they give it away. > > > Don Brown wrote: > > I recommend that you revisit the pricing now, before y'all go about > > shooting yourself in the foot with a howitzer again, as you did with > > the ICS price gouge. > > > > You've already ran off number of ISPs, who continued to support > > IPswitch in spite of their non-responsiveness when it came to keeping > > Imail reasonably current with competition. Soon, it won't matter what > > you charge, since you will have already alienated the ISP market > > beyond repair. You may not be able to charge enough to offset that, > > either. So, best think long and hard about it, in my opinion, anyway. > > > > Nice try with all the "projected" enhancements, but most of what you > > said is already available to us with utilities that other people have > > written over the years because IPswitch wasn't responsive. The rest > > is cake dressing or of limited value, if any, to most ISP's. > > > > Nice try also with the suggestion to buy a "bargain basement" SA, to > > beat the increase. That just puts a band aid on a skull fracture. > > > > Our SA expires in October 2006 and we'll have moved to a more > > affordable and feature rich platform long before that, if this proves > > to be another price gouge. That, you can take to the bank. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 8:30:32 AM, Kevin Gillis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > KG> Hi Don and William, > > > > KG> Fair comments and can understand the concern. > > > > KG> The pricing is going to be lower in some cases, higher in other, than > > the > > KG> current $695. > > > > KG> As before, Ipswitch-direct can not do discounts beyond the 10% for > > KG> Education. However, our resellers will usually offer the best price as > > they > > KG> have latitude to discount by 10, 20 even 30%. My direct sales folks > > may not > > KG> like this but, for example, online today an IMail Professional SA can be > > KG> purchased for under $500... > > > > KG> http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=1246664/ > > > > KG> So hunting around, the new "street/actual" pricing for the bottom 3 > > tiers > > KG> will be a lower than today's $695 and higher for the top 2 tiers. And > > it's > > KG> quite alright to purchase the current IMail Pro SA for $695 (or see link > > KG> above for better pricing) and you will receive all updates for 12 > > months at > > KG> which time you would pay the new UNL price. > > > > KG> We have a lot of new features coming in the IMail 2006 roadmap (not > > final > > KG> but includes an overhauled web calendaring and scheduling, password > > rules > > KG> including auto expiring passwords, graphical/statistical reporting > > (e.g. top > > KG> senders/receivers by domain, reports/analysis on mailboxes, etc), > > archiving, > > KG> etc.) and for those who are willing to give us a shot, the best > > approach, > > KG> for those in the higher tiers, is to purchase an IMail Pro SA today for > > $695 > > KG> and then you'll get the new updates coming next year. Again, not > > final, but > > KG> we currently have at least 2 updates scheduled for 2006. > > > > > > > >From the product manager perspective, if the market can't bear the new > > > > > KG> pricing, it makes perfect business sense for us to revisit! > > > > KG> bye for now, > > > > KG> kg > > > > KG> -----Original Message----- > > KG> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > KG> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Brown > > KG> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:09 AM > > KG> To: [email protected] > > KG> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Web Messaging... Coming Soon, Real Soon... > > > > > > KG> I smell a price increase for current "Unlimited" Imail customers in > > KG> Kevin's post, quoted below. We just had an price increase as a result > > KG> of the ICS fiasco which ran off several Imail customers. I sure hope > > KG> they don't step in it again and run more of us off to other > > KG> alternatives. > > > > KG> "Monday, October 31, 2005, 8:13:02 PM, Kevin Gillis <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> > > KG> wrote: > > KG> Also note that IMail Secure will be offered at 5 user levels, > > KG> whereas today, it's only offered as Unlimited. > > > > KG> Price points will be announced in a month (can't really disclose > > KG> publicly until resellers have been notified) but the basic > > KG> philosophy is to allow customers to more accurately pay for what > > KG> they are using versus having all customer paying for unlimited > > KG> users and domains." > > > > KG> Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 7:24:38 AM, Matrosity Hosting > > KG> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MH>> I may have overlooked an email but if we have an active service > > MH>> agreement then we should be entitled to whatever version of the > > software > > MH>> we are licensed for. > > > > MH>> Bill > > > > MH>> Bruce Barnes wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > I hope you are going to consider those of us who paid for, and have > > > > > kept > > > > > > > KG> up > > > > > > > our service agreements for, unlimited licenses when you create your > > > > > new > > > > > pricing structure! > > > > > > > > > > If Ipswitch causes those of us who have been long-time customers, with > > > > > unlimited licensed versions, to fork over significantly more money to > > > > > keep > > > > > the unlimited licensing, that will cause a whole new set of problems > > > > > for > > > > > > > KG> us > > > > > > > and cause us to start re-thinking all of those other companies who's > > > > > products we downloaded evaluation versions of and have continued to > > > > > > > KG> monitor > > > > > > > during the last year and a half. > > > > > > > > > > Bruce Barnes > > > > > ChicagoNetTech Inc > > > > > Chicago IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > > > > List Archive: > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > > > > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MH>> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > MH>> List Archive: > > MH>> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > MH>> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > > > > KG> ---- > > KG> Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. > > KG> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net > > KG> (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 > > KG> ---- > > > > > > KG> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > KG> List Archive: > > KG> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > KG> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > > > > KG> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > KG> List Archive: > > KG> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > KG> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > > > > ---- > > Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net > > (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 > > ---- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > >
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