Interesting statement . . . We send between 50 and 100K messages via lists, on behalf of our clients, every week - from double opt-in lists. Easy source to interface with Imail. NO SCRIPTS, all web based. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list.
We have ZERO rejections from AOL customers because of PRECIDENCE BULK in the headers, so someone has either pulled the proverbial wool over the eyes of the Imail development team or had gotten some bad advice from someone at AOL. What we ARE seeing is CONTENT RESTRICTION. AOL now scans every incoming message for embedded links and, if a link to a "badly behaving source", ie: a known spammer, or someone who doesn't police their servers too well, is found within the message, they WILL both REFUSE the message and send back a meaningful error message, with a link to a web page that has a contact telephone number for an AOL webmaster (not really, just a lackey taking messages and writing up a report) who will then pass the request up the food chain to have it "investigated". When I recently had a problem with more than 2,100 AOL addresses on one list suddenly refusing e-mail I used the service and was pleasantly surprised when someone from AOL actually responded to me with the information about which of the active links within a newsletter that a local theatre group was sending out was causing the rejection problem on the part of AOL's mail servers. For the record, spelled out so it will not be trapped by AOL addresses on this list, the domain in question was: "freeserversdotcom", a domain that frequently hosts video so links can be inserted into e-mail messages for viewing by the recipient. Bruce Barnes ChicagoNetTech Inc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 16:35 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Precedence: list & the auto responses Here is the header from the message directly received from her: Received: from srv5.eservicesforyou.com [192.168.41.40] by maila.eservicesforyou.net (SMTPD-8.20) id AF0A01FC; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:40:42 -0700 Received: from Mail.aaawin.com ([207.108.212.3]) by srv5.eservicesforyou.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:40:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:40:40 -0700 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Liz Jahner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Please note X-Mailer: <SMTP32 v9.03> Precedence: bulk Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2006 16:40:41.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B3F3B00:01C69163] Status: U X-UIDL: 428651759 X-IMail-ThreadID: df0a03b1000022c1 John Tolmachoff Owner, eServices For You [EMAIL PROTECTED] 626-737-6003 Fax 626-737-6004 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Imail_Forum- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hoyt > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Precedence: list & the auto responses > > Any "good" email client should suppress autoresponses (and probably vacation > messages) to received email that has the Precedence: bulk or list header. > Her client (or whatever is generating the autoresponses) is inserting the > Precedence: bulk header in order to let the receiving end know not to send > an autoresponse to her autoresponse. > > She has set up an autoresponse instead of a vacation message as that is the > only way that the list would be receiving autoresponses from her that are > just responses to her autoresponse (this is her mistake-if she had set up a > vacation message instead we would have only seen one vacation response from > her as it does keep a list of those it has responded to). > > But the message we see from the list does not contain her headers-it has the > headers that the list server inserts-and the list server is inserting > "X-Imail: List" instead of "Precedence: list". The lack of the "Precedence: > list" header from the list server is what has changed in the last couple of > weeks. > > > Michael Hoyt > Communication Arts > 110 Constitution Drive > Menlo Park, CA 94025 > (650) 326-6040 fax:(650) 326-1648 > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site: http://www.commarts.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:43 AM > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Precedence: list & the auto responses > > > Actually, this person is using Imail 9.03 and the headers of the notice I > received directly from her has the proper line indicating a bulk sending. > > This is from the headers of a notice I received directly (since I have an > Outlook rule forwarding all her stupid notices.) > > X-Mailer: <SMTP32 v9.03> > Precedence: bulk > > To me, this indicates 2 things: She has it set up as an auto responder and > it is looping since she then gets the notice via the list and the latest > version of the list server is striping the "Precedence: bulk" line and > inserting "X-Imail: List" in its place. > > Comments from Ipswitch? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Imail_Forum- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hoyt > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:45 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Precedence: list & the auto responses > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matti Haack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Michael Hoyt" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Precedence: list & the auto responses > > > > > > > > > > MH> Hey Tyran, nice catch on the Precedence header! > > > Looks like nobody at ipswitch cares about this as the fact > > > was discovered already one week before... Or they are unable > > > to solve it... > > > > They seem to be satisfied with just removing the vacationing members from > > the list. > > > > > "Precedence: bulk" is missing in the mail headers. > > > > They do have a header: "X-IMail: List" but I don't think the email clients > > know what to do with this. > > > > > As I didn't dare to update to 2006, can anybody check if > > > this is an issue with the latest version of Imail or just > > > with the build Ipswitch uses for this list? > > > Matti > > Way to poke 'em in the eye. > > > > Michael Hoyt > > Communication Arts > > 110 Constitution Drive > > Menlo Park, CA 94025 > > (650) 326-6040 fax:(650) 326-1648 > > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web Site: http://www.commarts.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
