You know... I've been reporting this Robert Allen knucklehead for some time now (to the FCC) and it seems the Federal Gov may have other fish to fry than care about proper internet etiquette (opt outs being honored etc) , even if it's their own laws. Is anyone else getting overwhelms by Robert Allen emails that not even MessageSniffer cares enough to write a rule to block?

On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Bruce Barnes wrote:

If you go and look at the Federal anti-spam laws they succinctly state that anyone having a PRIOR RELATIONSHIP with a customer may contact them in any
manner - without prior permission and it is not spamming.

I do not agree with it, but if they have had any kind of contact with the
company, made a purchase, filled out a form giving them their e-mail
address, ect, they can be legitimately placed on an e-mail list.

Note, too, that if they request such, the must be immediately removed UNLESS they have made a purchase from the source of the e-mail in which case the request can be legally ignored for a period of six months from the date of
the purchase.


[] On Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 15:45
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails

Hey all,

Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to send emails out to people who have not explicitly opted in to receive their mailings. Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of require opt-in and in particular don't allow emails to be sent to a list of purchased email addresses. I can understand why -- who needs more spam? I guess my question is ... how does a company legitimately get their name and product out there without turning into a spammer? Is anyone aware of mass emailing companies or even a direct
marketing company that uses legitimate means to do this, or what those
legitimate means are?

Maybe semi-OT for this list ...


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Adam Greene <>
        Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM
        Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails

        We've been steering customers toward Emma (
Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage
their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income).

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Steve Guluk <>
                Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM
                Subject: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails

                As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to
market their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive means to
get marketing in front of many people.

                Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to
whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a legitimate email. And that one client can hurt the other clients on the mail server that have
nothing to do with the offending clients mass mailing.

                What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and
risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go to Constant Contact but some still push hard to use the email account they have with me. I have a limitation of 50 recipients per email but what other resources are
available to us to help handle this condition in the best manner?

                What standards and policies do you do at your business?


                Steve Guluk
                (949) 661-9333

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