impossible to debug without better logging,  maybe turn on SMTP
debugging 
and then kick both of these messages. don't forget to turn off debugging

with debugging on (localhost/smtp/debug messages box checked)..this is
still all I get unless I am supposed to look elsewhere for the log when
debugging is turned on:

03:12 11:12 SMTPD(15220128) [192.168.100.31] EHLO sharyns

03:12 11:12 SMTPD(15220128) [192.168.100.31] MAIL FROM:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

03:12 11:12 SMTPD(15220128) [192.168.100.31] RCPT TO:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

03:12 11:12 SMTPD(15220128) [192.168.100.31] D:\IMAIL\spool\D28e8128.SMD
429

03:12 11:12 SMTP-(000009D4) processing D:\IMAIL\spool\Q28e8128.SMD


Then, off it goes to the que, where I'm sure it's going to come back as
undeliverable. This is the log from a brand new message that I just
tried to send.


try tracerouting from the imail machine to the ip of the their MX's

I was able to traceroute to the IP address of their mail server
(12.20.160.226), from my mail server, with no problem at all.

Tracing route to 12.20.160.226 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  207.190.36.2
  2   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  lagateway.todhunter.com [207.190.36.1]
  3   <10 ms   <10 ms    15 ms  ip-207-190-19-001.frame-relay.ithink.com
[207.19
0.19.1]
  4   188 ms    16 ms    31 ms  500.serial2-3.gw6.orl1.alter.net
[157.130.65.49]

  5    16 ms    31 ms    31 ms  504.at-2-2-0.XR1.ATL1.ALTER.NET
[152.63.84.42]
  6    15 ms    32 ms    31 ms  0.so-1-0-0.XL1.ATL1.ALTER.NET
[152.63.86.85]
  7    16 ms    31 ms    16 ms  0.so-3-0-0.TL1.ATL1.ALTER.NET
[152.63.10.69]
  8    31 ms    47 ms    31 ms  0.so-1-3-0.TL1.CHI2.ALTER.NET
[152.63.13.42]
  9    32 ms    47 ms    78 ms  0.so-1-0-0.XL1.CHI2.ALTER.NET
[152.63.67.106]
 10   156 ms    32 ms    47 ms  POS6-0.BR5.CHI2.ALTER.NET
[152.63.68.197]
 11    47 ms    46 ms    47 ms  204.255.168.58
 12    32 ms    47 ms    62 ms  gbr3-p50.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.5.146]
 13    47 ms    47 ms    47 ms  gbr3-p10.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.2.1]
 14    47 ms    62 ms    47 ms  gbr4-p60.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.1.122]
 15   156 ms    47 ms    63 ms  gbr1-p20.phlpa.ip.att.net [12.122.2.18]
 16    47 ms   125 ms   203 ms  ar2-p310.phlpa.ip.att.net
[12.123.137.13]
 17    62 ms    63 ms    62 ms  12.119.118.250
 18    63 ms    47 ms    63 ms  12.20.160.226

Trace complete.

telnet from imail machine to port 25 of the ip's of their MX's

I was able to telnet to this same mail server, from my mail server, and
when I manually did all the commands, it accepted my message (once I got
the syntax correct after 50 tries)

220 saturn.chpk.com ESMTP MailMarshal(4,2,5,0
250 saturn.chpk.com Hello mail.todhunter.com (207.190.36.135)
250 sender ok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
250 Recipient ok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
354 send the mail data, end with .
250 B00001de6c Message accepted for delivery
221 saturn.chpk.com closing connection

I even rerouted the IP address of their mail server so it bypasses the
smtp proxy on my firewall and goes directly through the filter but that
still doesn't seem to solve the problem. 

Sharyn



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