Josh,

I think you're pursuing a different argument, which has its own merits
but isn't exactly my point. Think about Ron's situation (or Hotmail's,
as  Scott  originally  noted).  It's  not about SMTP AUTH at all. It's
about one user, and a single e-mail, getting you blacklisted. So every
free,    sign-yourself-up   service   is   instantly   and   endlessly
blacklistable--never  mind  that they might have detailed logs of each
connecting  IP.  I mean, DSBL might have a lot of good catches, but if
they  have  these  giant  bad catches, everyone's either gonna have to
weight  them pretty low or have an extensive whitelist. And anyone can
just  block  outgoing  mail  to  DSBL--which is so easy that the whole
thing falls apart right there.

Sandy

P.S. On one of your points...

> Even in a corporate environment.... actually... especially in a corporate
> environment you should not have SMTP servers accept mail from any client on
> your network without authentication. How hard is it to run with SMTP Auth
> enabled? I'd rather do that then see [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> get an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] cursing them out.

SMTP  AUTH  would  have  no  bearing  on this, as there is no relaying
involved; the security level you describe is not possible with Imail.

And  I  for  one would love for some executives to get cursed out, but
that's just me. :)))


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