We are new to Declude (running Imail 7.13 w/Declude 1.60) and wanted to
see what you mean by .gse files.  I take it these are undelieverable
emails that cannot get bounced to the sender and therefor need to die
via a badmail timeout.  Thanks for the info.

Keith J

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Problem with spool not removeing GSE files


Hey I am fed up with the GSE's too. I wish there would be a separate
processing policy for them.

Here is something interesting. Some of our Imail servers are set up to
use gateway instead of delivering outgoing mail on their own. Even with
the gateway, there is a good number of GSE files in the queue. Do the
GSEs have a lower processing priority?

-----Original Message-----
From: E Perrine [mailto:eperrine@;nettally.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Problem with spool not removeing GSE files


Keith ---

Our server currently processes about 160,000 pieces of mail a day. The
.gse files were becoming a problem for us as there were about 100 being
generated every three minutes or so with virtually all being from spam
sources with invalid addresses. This equates to 2,000 an hour, or 48,000
each day. Further, with each pending outbound message being queued and
tried six times, this works out to something like 300,000 SMTP processes
a day. Not a good thing.

Excessive numbers of .gse files can cause all sorts of problems. By
making the queue so large, they slow down 'normal' Imail queue runs
since there are so many messages to process and the bogus messages often
take longer than normal to fail (since they wait for servers to answer
that often don't exist). When you added Declude (with the more
intelligent, multiple SMTP queuing) it is trying to work the queue
faster by launching more SMTP processes with the resulting increase in
load on your machine. (At least, that's my best guess).

One of my staff members wrote a routine in Visual Basic which runs once
every five minutes, looking for .gse files which are more than three
minutes old. By doing this we allow all bounce messages to be tried once
(so valid bounces are usually delivered) but the others are killed
before they get tried over and over and over again. (Our queue timer is
set for 10 minutes on the gateway server.)

We are revising the script to be a little more intelligent so that it
also takes care of D... and T... pairs that have been orphaned by a
failed connection and cleans them up as well. This makes it a little
easier for us to look at the spool file and see if there is anything
unpleasant going on.

Once we get the revised version of the script completed and tested, I
will post it here for anyone that is interested.

   --- Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Problem with spool not removeing GSE files

We are running Imail 6.06 and the newest version of Declude. I have
several companies including a few local Governments that use ETRN on our
system and they do not collect email on the weekends. I have my queue
set to hold email for 10 tries and 3000. After I installed declude I
found that the GSE files are not being removed from the spool and the
folder will literaly have over 50,000 or more GSE files in it in just 24
hours. I have also found the server to be running at 100% cpu and it is
SMTP32.exe proccesses that are takeing up the power.

What if anything can I do to eliminate the GSE files properly and how
can I keep the cpu from molestation by the SMPT32 proccess?

Keith



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