Good Morning, List;

We've got a problem that is driving both me and our client crazy.  Their
domain CHICAGOHOUSE.ORG cannot receive e-mail from certain other two or
three domains.  The only indication of any problem is a NO GLUE item in the
DNSREPORT we ran.

We're running iMail 8.0 with the first patch applied on a Windows 2000
Server, 1 meg of memory, mirrored hard drives.  iMail is on its own
partition.

The domains having the most problems sending e-mail to CHICAGOHOUSE.ORG are:
WORK-PLACES.COM and DESMONDCPA.COM.

We've checked all of the DNS entries, added two additional DNS servers that
are not on the same sub-net as ours, incremented the date in the DNS record
in hopes of forcing the servers at Network Solutions to rebuild the record
and checked every machine we can possible think might have something to do
with this - both on our end and at the client's three locations.

We have nothing in the "kill list" that would preclude the domains in
question from send mail to them.

We have no log entries in our logs from these domains indicating that they
have ever connected to our server.

We've even disabled the firewall while we attempt to resolve this.

Below are the various tests and messages we've searched while attempting to
resolve this problem.

Any assistance that can be offered by anyone on this list will be greatly
appreciated.
Bruce Barnes
ChicagoNetTech Inc
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Office: 773.365.0105 X221
Outside Chicago: 800.982.0839
Cell: 773.491.9019



Here's the error message from the sending server - as forwarded via another
e-mail address:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  Delivery Status Notification
Date:  23 Jul 2003 13:01:58 -0700
From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This message could not be delivered to the following recipients:

:Connected to 65.86.164.132 but greeting failed.

I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
:Connected to 65.86.164.132 but greeting failed.

I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.

Here is the error message:

Reporting-MTA: dns; bouncemessage.net

Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: Failed
Status: 5.0.0



When we checked the spam databases for the IP address of 65.86.164.132,
(http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=65.86.164.132) the address of the
server, there are no listings reported for the address.

When we do a DNSREPORT on CHICAGOHOUSE.ORG,
(http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=chicagohouse.org) we are
told there is "no glue".

INFO - NS records at parent servers Your NS records at the parent servers
are:

NS10.RIZNET.NET. [65.86.164.141 (NO GLUE)]
NS1.CHICAGONETTECH.COM. [65.86.164.133 (NO GLUE)]
NS19.ZONEEDIT.COM. [69.10.134.196 (NO GLUE)]
NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM. [65.125.227.35 (NO GLUE)]

[These were obtained from a7.nstld.com]

Glue at parent nameservers -  WARNING. The parent servers (A7.NSTLD.COM.)
are not providing glue for all your nameservers. This means that they are
supplying the NS records (host.example.com), but not supplying the A records
(192.0.2.53), which can cause slightly slower connections, and may cause
some incompatibilities with some programs (if the programs are not fully
RFC-compliant). This behavior is allowed by the RFCs. This will usually
occur if your DNS servers are not in the same TLD as your domain (for
example, a DNS server of "ns1.example.co.uk" for the domain "example.com").
In this case, you can speed up the connections slightly by having NS records
that are in the same TLD as your domain.


We are also told that the DNS servers are on the sane CLASS C (probably
because NO GLUE)

WARN  - Nameservers on separate class C's WARNING: All of your nameservers
(listed at the parent nameservers) are in the same Class C address space,
which means that they are probably at the same physical location. Your
nameservers should be at geographically dispersed locations. You should not
have all of your nameservers at the same location. RFC2182 3.1 goes into
more detail about secondary nameserver location. [If the parent servers have
no glue for your domain, this could be a false positive.]


Here's what NSLOOKUP shows:

> set type=all
> chicagohouse.org
Server:  ns1.chicagonettech.com
Address:  65.86.164.133

chicagohouse.org        nameserver = ns1.chicagonettech.com
chicagohouse.org        nameserver = ns10.riznet.net
chicagohouse.org        nameserver = ns19.zoneedit.com
chicagohouse.org        nameserver = ns18.zoneedit.com
chicagohouse.org
        primary name server = ns1.chicagonettech.com
        responsible mail addr = admin.chicagonettech.com
        serial  = 2003082807
        refresh = 7200 (2 hours)
        retry   = 7200 (2 hours)
        expire  = 604800 (7 days)
        default TTL = 3600 (1 hour)
chicagohouse.org        MX preference = 10, mail exchanger =
mail.chicagohouse.org
ns1.chicagonettech.com  internet address = 65.86.164.133
ns10.riznet.net internet address = 65.86.164.141
mail.chicagohouse.org   internet address = 65.86.164.132
>


Here's our own ChicagoNetTech.com NSLOOKUP entry:

> chicagonettech.com
Server:  ns1.chicagonettech.com
Address:  65.86.164.133

chicagonettech.com      internet address = 65.86.164.130
chicagonettech.com      nameserver = ns1.chicagonettech.com
chicagonettech.com      nameserver = ns10.riznet.net
chicagonettech.com      nameserver = ns1.zoneedit.com
chicagonettech.com      nameserver = ns3.zoneedit.com
chicagonettech.com
        primary name server = ns1.chicagonettech.com
        responsible mail addr = administrator.chicagonettech.com
        serial  = 2003022310
        refresh = 7200 (2 hours)
        retry   = 7200 (2 hours)
        expire  = 604800 (7 days)
        default TTL = 3600 (1 hour)
chicagonettech.com      MX preference = 10, mail exchanger =
mail.chicagonettech.com
chicagonettech.com
        WINS lookup
          flags = 0 ( )
          lookup timeout = 2
          cache TTL      = 900
          server count   = 1
          WINS server = (65.86.164.130)
ns1.chicagonettech.com  internet address = 65.86.164.133
ns10.riznet.net internet address = 65.86.164.141
mail.chicagonettech.com internet address = 65.86.164.132


Here's the NSLOOKUP for DESMONDCPA.COM:

> desmondcpa.com
Server:  ns1.chicagonettech.com
Address:  65.86.164.133

Non-authoritative answer:
desmondcpa.com  internet address = 205.178.180.170
desmondcpa.com  nameserver = ns1.dsl.net
desmondcpa.com  nameserver = ns2.dsl.net
desmondcpa.com
        primary name server = ns1.dsl.net
        responsible mail addr = domreg.dsl.net
        serial  = 2001081000
        refresh = 7200 (2 hours)
        retry   = 3600 (1 hour)
        expire  = 604800 (7 days)
        default TTL = 600 (10 mins)
desmondcpa.com  MX preference = 900, mail exchanger = mxr01.hvn01.dsl.net
desmondcpa.com  MX preference = 900, mail exchanger = mxr01.nyc01.dsl.net
desmondcpa.com  MX preference = 10, mail exchanger =
inbound.desmondcpa.com.criticalpath.net

ns1.dsl.net     internet address = 209.87.64.70
ns2.dsl.net     internet address = 209.87.79.232
mxr01.hvn01.dsl.net     internet address = 209.87.64.79
mxr01.nyc01.dsl.net     internet address = 209.87.79.229
>


Here's the NSLOOKUP for WORK-PLACES.COM:

> work-places.com
Server:  ns1.chicagonettech.com
Address:  65.86.164.133

Non-authoritative answer:
work-places.com internet address = 66.80.235.141
work-places.com nameserver = ns1.directnic.com
work-places.com nameserver = ns0.directnic.com
work-places.com
        primary name server = ns0.directnic.com
        responsible mail addr = hostmaster.directnic.com
        serial  = 1050797539
        refresh = 16384 (4 hours 33 mins 4 secs)
        retry   = 2048 (34 mins 8 secs)
        expire  = 1048576 (12 days 3 hours 16 mins 16 secs)
        default TTL = 2560 (42 mins 40 secs)
work-places.com MX preference = 30, mail exchanger = mail2.work-places.com
work-places.com MX preference = 25, mail exchanger = mail.work-places.com

ns1.directnic.com       internet address = 206.251.177.2
ns0.directnic.com       internet address = 204.251.10.100
mail2.work-places.com   internet address = 66.80.235.151
mail.work-places.com    internet address = 66.80.235.150
>

Here's an error reported on DNSREPORTS for WORK-PLACES.COM
(http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=workplaces.com):

 FAIL - Connect to mail servers ERROR: I could not connect to one or more of
your mailservers:
mail2.work-places.com: Timed out [Last data sent: QUIT ]


Finally, the mailserver returning the error message in the message that was
included shows no problems in DNSREPORTS
(http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=bouncemessage.net+)

Here's their NSLOOKUP report:

> bouncemessage.net
Server:  ns1.chicagonettech.com
Address:  65.86.164.133

Non-authoritative answer:
bouncemessage.net       nameserver = ns1.cp.net
bouncemessage.net       nameserver = ns3.cp.net

bouncemessage.net       nameserver = ns1.cp.net
bouncemessage.net       nameserver = ns3.cp.net
ns1.cp.net      internet address = 209.228.15.4
ns3.cp.net      internet address = 209.228.14.4
>
> bouncemessage.net
Server:  ns1.chicagonettech.com
Address:  65.86.164.133

bouncemessage.net
        primary name server = ns1.cp.net
        responsible mail addr = hostmaster.cp.net
        serial  = 1999072000
        refresh = 3600 (1 hour)
        retry   = 1800 (30 mins)
        expire  = 2419200 (28 days)
        default TTL = 3600 (1 hour)
bouncemessage.net       nameserver = ns1.cp.net
bouncemessage.net       nameserver = ns3.cp.net
bouncemessage.net       MX preference = 0, mail exchanger =
inbound.bouncemessag
e.net.criticalpath.net
ns1.cp.net      internet address = 209.228.15.4
ns3.cp.net      internet address = 209.228.14.4
inbound.bouncemessage.net.criticalpath.net      internet address =
209.228.4.171




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