Cheers John for so doggedly chasing down the licensing issues for the
web edition and publishing it here. From the sounds of it you put in a
lot of work to do so.

1 Further question on the licensing issues: I seem to remember when
there being some debate about how many CALs Imail required and that for
win2k3 MS considered any application which required authentication
(regardless of whether it was windows authentication or it's own - aka
Imail using odbc or its own authentication methods) needing an server
CAL. 

Was this quashed as being just a silly rumour or has anyone got any more
info on that?

Regards,

Pat Hastings

-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 13 December 2003 01:37
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Windows Server 2003 Web edition debate.


Fuel for the Windows Server 2003 Web edition debate.

After several hours of phone calls, dozens of e-mails and a number of
faxes over the last 2 weeks, here is the result of my conversations with
a MS Gold Certified partner and a senior MS licensing manager who
contacted and obtained a cursory review by a MS lawyer who stated that a
company using Web edition as outlined below "would be in the last group
looked at of those groups with other applications installed on Windows
Server 2003 Web Edition for violations and which any final determination
of legality would almost certainly have to be determined in a court of
law":

1. No application can be installed on Web edition that will add
features/functions beyond what MS has included. 2. AV software to
protect the server and information flowing to it and out of it is
allowed, as that is considered a part of securing the server. 3.
Applications which enhance, but not extend, features included by MS are
allowed.

In relation to Imail and related add-ons and features, this is what was
concluded:

1. Imail can be installed.
2. Only connections allowed to Imail is SMTP and POP3. Those functions
are included by MS, and by installing Imail and using the SMTP and POP3
services of Imail, you are providing an enhanced version of what MS
supplied. IMAP4, Web Messaging, Web Calendaring, Finger and WhoIS
services can not be used, as there is no supplied equivalent MS service
on the server. 3. Only database that can be used is the Imail database.
An external ODBC database can not be used, as MS IIS POP3 users are
local only. Yes, you can use an external ODBC data source Web Edition,
but not for the SMTP or POP3 services, as there is no matching way that
is possible with the MS SMTP or POP3 functions. Also, using an external
ODBC data source would extend the POP3 feature, not just enhance. 4.
Imail AV can be installed and used as that is part of securing the
server and information flowing into and out of it. 5. Imail Anti-Spam
can be used. In the IIS SMTP service, there is what is called Event
Sinks. These are VBS scripts that can scan and take action on messages
flowing through the SMTP service. 
6. Declude Hi-Jack can be installed, as that is tracking IP addresses
and that is possible in the MS SMTP service through Event Sinks and the
IIS SMTPSVCx logs. 7. Declude Virus can be installed for the same reason
in #5 above. 8. Declude JunkMail can be installed for the same reason in
#6 above.

MY CONCLUSION:

If you are only using Imail for gateway service (Store and Forward) or
only allowing users to connect via POP3 AND only using the Imail
database
(registry) then Imail is allowed and usable. 

BTW, all 4 persons I talked to or were involved in this discussion made
it very clear their names were never to be mentioned. That was a solid
statement that came directly from the lawyer. Figures.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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