At 06:28 PM 12/6/2004, you wrote:
There has to be other ways to win, just a matter of finding what really
works. Strong legislation against those who allow it is what I wish for.

Who's legislation? As the article posted to the list earlier today clearly said...


"...Although the campaign was short-lived, legal experts believe that the plan highlighted holes in U.K. laws. Earlier this year, the All Party Internet Group (APIG) recommended that parliament make it an offence to impair access to data as part of an upheaval of the Computer Misuse Act of 1990. But as it stands, companies may have trouble prosecuting anyone who starts DDoS attacks.

"The Lycos thing has shown a lack of ability (in the law) to prosecute for denial-of-service attacks," said Mark Smith, solicitor for Olswang. "You would struggle under current laws to bring a case against someone. The problem is that DDoS attacks cross jurisdictions..."

Think you can get EVERY country on the face of the earth to enact meaningful legislation? Doubt it. The lame CAN-SPAM laws don't mean anything!. So, is the response to block ALL traffic from counties that don't comply? Who get's to write this legislation? Who determines if the legislation is sufficient? Who determines if the legislation is not being enforced? What is a legitimate response against offenders that won't hurt the poor "innocent" providers or "innocent" companies that are hosted at these spam farms?

I think reality needs to be acknowledged in that the Internet is wide open like the lawless "Old West". The only way the sheriff could defend the settlers in this new frontier would be that the "government" take over the actual running on the network and then hope they do a better job of policing the electronic borders than they do policing the real physical borders. Until that day comes (I hope it never does as the government is way to inefficient and the cost for Internet access and connectivity would skyrocket) we are either forced to keep doing what we are doing in our own separate ISP islands and hope that the hurricane of spam/malware, etc... doesn't drive us into the sea.

As the old adage says the best defense is a good offense. Is it good "enough" to be listed in databases like Spamhaus's "Register of Known Spam Operations" that identifies many of the worst spammers grounds to be attacked?

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso


Seriously speaking, I wonder who we could all petition to try and force the
major ISP companies to enforce monitoring for spammers and stopping those
who do it. Someone stated in this thread that it will never happen, if
nobody lobbies for it or tries to get the ball rolling, of course it will
never happen. Any suggestions anyone?

Start blocking the known spammers and notify those that host them (identified by databases like SpamCop and SpamHaus) they will be attacked in retaliation. Oh wait you already said you did not agree with that. I guess following your recommendation we will be forced to keep our fingers in the dike until some white hatted posse rides to our rescue. Of course you gets to appoint the members of this posse? And that brings us back to the beginning.




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