I thought that illegal spam was clearly defined already, at least it is in
the state where we live. Spam is anything with forged headers and/or bogus
return to addresses. What's in the subject line is not what the email is
really about. As Imail Administrators, we all know who the spammers are and
where they are coming from. I really don't think it would be that hard to
sort them out.

Personally, if I wanted anything that the spammers email me about I am
confident that I could find plenty of it in the Google search engines. I
feel that if I want something I will find it, people don't need to call me
or email me and ask me if I need it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Lycos goes limp

Since every user's definition of "spam" is different, it makes it
exceedingly difficult for the ISP to do the enforcing.

If there was a standard definition of what constitutes spam, it would make
the proposal you have outlined much easier.

If we filter all of the porn, then one user complains.  If we filter all the
"advertising" another user complains.  If we filter word or phrase "a" then
another user complains, if we filter word or phrase "b" another user
complains that we are infringing on their right to receive and send e-mail
based on free speech - and I agree with them.

In order for ISPs to filter spam, everyone has to agree on what constitutes
spam.  That would be like trying to get my family to agree on which movie to
go see on a saturday night or what television program to watch - impossible.

Bruce Barnes

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Galerneau
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 19:29
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Lycos goes limp


There has to be other ways to win, just a matter of finding what really
works. Strong legislation against those who allow it is what I wish for. But
if I wish in one hand and diddle in the other, I know which one will get
full the fastest :(

Seriously speaking, I wonder who we could all petition to try and force the
major ISP companies to enforce monitoring for spammers and stopping those
who do it. Someone stated in this thread that it will never happen, if
nobody lobbies for it or tries to get the ball rolling, of course it will
never happen. Any suggestions anyone?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Conrad
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Lycos goes limp


>I thought this was a fantastic idea but wanted to see them get it off the
>ground before installing anything. This probably wont wake people up to
>just how much influence spammers have and their growing power.

Lycos was not distributed, not clever at all.

And the criminals sent an immediate and extremely clear message:

"Internet belongs to us, and DON'T THINK ABOUT TRYING TO TAKE IT BACK, OR
WE WILL DESTROY YOU."

Len


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