”If a church was a church and is not a church anymore (it is a community centre, for example), it can't be building=church. Let's say the church was constructed in 1780 and ended as church in 1978, and now is a community centre. In that case it should be "building:1780-1978"="church", "amenity:1780-1978"="place_of_worship"”
No, the wiki clearly states that the building tag is used for what the building was built as. A building built as a church will always be building=church no matter the usage. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building /Andreas Skickat från min iPhone > 28 jan. 2018 kl. 03:30 skrev Rafael Avila Coya <[email protected]>: > > Hi, Fredrik: > > Thank you for the effort you put in preparing this import. > > I've had a look to the wiki and the data, and I don't see major problems so > that this import can be safely done, but I've taken 8 random church nodes > (don't have much time to get a bigger set) and I've seen some issues that you > should take into consideration to improve the import workflow, before it > starts. > > --- > > 1) -42734 (Mæl kirke): > > "architect"="Linstow type" -> Shouldn't be Hans Linstow [1] instead? > > That church (that is already mapped) is inside an area tagged as > amenity=graveyard. Maybe some instructions to correct that, would make the > import better (at least with some examples of what users involved in the > import may find during the task). > > 2) -42440 (Valjok kirke): > > This church already mapped has two name tags in OSM: > > "name"="Valjok kirke" > "name:se"="Váljohka girkko" -> name in Sami language > > In this case, would you add the Sami name to the name tag? > In general, what will be the sintax when you add both names to the name tag, > so all users use a consistent naming? Will it be "Valjok kirke - Váljohka > girkko", "Valjok kirke / Váljohka girkko", "Valjok kirke;Váljohka girkko"...? > > 3) -39128 (Terningmoen garnisonskapell): > > No issues detected. > > 4) -42800 (Bø kyrkje): > > "name"="Bø kyrkje" -> But the wiki isn't clear on what you will do when it is > already mapped with a different name. In this case, the name in OSM is "By > kyrkje", so which one will you keep if names are different? > > The church is also mapped as an area (building footprint). But the wiki > doesn't clarify what footprint will remain, if the one present in OSM or the > new one from the import. In case this last one replaces the former, it would > be very advisable to keep its history (using CTRL+SHIFT+g of JOSM's > UtilsPlugin2 plugin). > > Also, if you substitute the old footprint by the new one, you have to take > care of the grass area [2] attached (in OSM) to the church footprint. Team > involved in the import should know how to solve these situations. > > 5) -40194 (Andebu kirke): > > "architect"="ukjent" -> ukjent means unknown, isn't it? I guess in this case > it would be better to skip the architect tag, or change it to > "architect"="unknown", although it seems there isn't any object in OSM with > the "architect"="unknown" key&value combination according to taginfo [3]. > I've checked, and there are 266 churches with this "architect"="ukjent" tag. > > 6) -41110 (Stavang kyrkje): > > "architect"="Ole Halvorsen, Bergen" -> It seems Bergen means the architect is > from Bergen, but looks not part of his name. In that case it shouldn't be > there. > > 7) -42044 (Nordvik kirke): > > No issues found. > > 8) -41866 (Gløshaug kirke): > > A building footprint is already present. Same question as with church #4 (Bø > kyrkje). > > --- > > Browsing around all tags, I see some issues: > > end_date=* is generally discuraged. And you shouldn't use it for all 7 > churches that have this tag. If a church was a church and is not a church > anymore (it is a community centre, for example), it can't be building=church. > Let's say the church was constructed in 1780 and ended as church in 1978, and > now is a community centre. In that case it should be > "building:1780-1978"="church", "amenity:1780-1978"="place_of_worship", > "name:1780-1978"="Whatever Kirke", ..., "building"="civic", > "amenity"="community_centre", "name"="Whatever Neighbours Friendship Centre", > etc. Please check the lyfe cycle wiki page for more info [4]. > > ruins taggins is discouraged in some cases. In this dataset we have 10 > churches tagged as "historic"="ruins" + "ruins"="church". It's better > "historic"="church" + "ruins"="yes". See the ruins wiki [5] and the life > cycle wiki [6]. > > In the wiki it says "The 1951 data points will be imported and merged with > existing churches with the importers editor of choice.". But towards the end, > in the Workflow and Conflation sections, you say that users will use JOSM. I > guess it's safe if you just ask the team involved to use JOSM only, so you > ease the workflow and tools/plugins to use. > > At least the architect tag values should be revieved, and set some rules for > the import team to make the corrections consistent. > > Cheers, > > Rafael. > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Linstow > [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493988037 > [3] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=architect&value=unknown > [4] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts#Date_namespace_suffix_as_.22keyname:DATESPEC.3D...22 > [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ruins > [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts > >> On 27/01/18 17:10, Fredrik wrote: >> Evening, >> An import has been planned and set up for importing all 1951 churches in >> Norway from official sources. >> The import is described here: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Kirkebyggdatabasen >> and the Norwegian mailing list has been contacted and discussed. >> The data is available from links on the import page as well as all >> details concerning the import >> -- >> FredrikLindseth >> openstreetmap.org/user/FredrikLindseth >> _______________________________________________ >> Imports mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports > > _______________________________________________ > Imports mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
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