2007/7/11, Milan Jurik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi Alberto, > There is a OpenSolaris distribution with no sudo and no gnu tools > already, is called Solaris Express, if you like how it is, use it. > And there is OpenSolaris distribution with sudo and GNU tools already, it is called Nexenta. And in my Solaris Express, I already have all GNU tools I need. Even more than I need.
Indiana have different goals than SX and Nexenta, if you think that everything that we need exist already, then, let us try what we think it's worth trying, if we fail you can say that you've told us already and we all would learn a lesson, if not, we would have attracted more people to OpenSolaris. But don't try to stop the energy if you don't believe on what we try to achieve.
If you don't like it, you can always derivate the distribution and > remove those bits, but the whole Indiana thing started because we want > to attract people and developers from other platforms, which means, > mostly Linux users. We are not trying the better Solaris for "developers from other platfors, which means, mostly Linux users" -> to attract them, you will create Linux userland as they "know", adding ZFS and dtrace as benefit for some of them, the rest remains hidden. What is the reason to use Solaris then? Just because "few" features in the kernel?
For them, is the only reason, yes, and for me, is the only reason too.
But Indiana should be base for all distributions, to have the same basics for everybody. So that if there will duplication in tools, all good distributions will need to maintain these duplications. In other case Indiana is loosing its position of The Opensolaris distribution.
Remove Linuxism that you don't like from Indiana and you will be happy, let us include what we think it's worth include and we will be happy too. I don't want to continue in this flame, I just tried to explain why
quantity of tools with similar results will not increase adoption of OpenSolaris, but create bigger mess.
I'm trying to understand why do you think that having both tools in the same distribution is harmful for the project. You just say that is a mess, but no more reasons further from that. Having Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu which is duplicity from your point of view (same algorithms for the same tasks) haven't harmed the adoption of the ubuntu distribution, instead, now it reaches a wider market by encouraging choice and aggregating communities. I'm not trying to convince you to think as me, what I'm trying is to ask you for proper reasons to think that duplicity is a real problem. Best regards,
Milan
-- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz
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