Also reconstructed efi page : Lindenbergia
ruderalis<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/plantaginaceae/lindenbergia-indica/lindenbergia-ruderalis>


On 17 August 2013 15:20, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks, Surajit ji,
> *Stemodia muraria* Roxburgh ex D. Don is also a syn. of *Lindenbergia
> ruderalis *(Retz.) Voigt as per latest litrature: Scrophulariaceae of the
> Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (2007- Description & Keys- *
> Lindenbergia **grandiflora, **macrostachya & ruderalis.* Also mentions *L.
> indica*)<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=akXKOaT69SwC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=Lindenbergia+macrostachya&source=bl&ots=tnwL5PyBCc&sig=6wWhxJ-FisRCsT7-lJai8BnzQHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QBQCUtWYCoKMrQfbkoDYDg&ved=0CHgQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q=Lindenbergia%20macrostachya&f=false>
>
>
> On 9 August 2013 13:03, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Dearest Garg Sir,
>>
>> Have a look please, for *L. ruderalis*, at the following sites -
>>
>>    1.
>>    http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=3&taxon_id=200020714
>>    2. *you will see a number of pics, that fit Dr. Pennell's description,
>>    * eg. -
>>    http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109006&flora_id=800
>>
>> Again, i am sorry, i do not think this is my species. Neither KEW does
>> think all (synonyms used by Dr. Pennell) is same -
>>
>>    1. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2498864
>>    2. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2498855
>>    3. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2587063
>>
>> Still, if you think Dr. Pennell is the last word then *why not take* the
>> synonym *Stemodia muraria Roxburgh ex D. Don* ???, which is accepted as 
>> *Lindenbergia
>> muraria (Roxburgh ex D. Don) Brühl* ???
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> surajit
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Surajit ji,
>>> As you identified it earlier as *Lindenbergia urticaefolia* Lehm.,
>>> which is now considered a syn. of  *Lindenbergia ruderalis *(Retz.)
>>> Voigt as per latest litrature: Scrophulariaceae of the Western
>>> Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (2007- Description & Keys- *Lindenbergia
>>> **grandiflora, **macrostachya & ruderalis.* Also mentions 
>>> *L.indica*)<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=akXKOaT69SwC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=Lindenbergia+macrostachya&source=bl&ots=tnwL5PyBCc&sig=6wWhxJ-FisRCsT7-lJai8BnzQHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QBQCUtWYCoKMrQfbkoDYDg&ved=0CHgQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q=Lindenbergia%20macrostachya&f=false>
>>>
>>> Pennel is cosidered an authority on Indian Scrophulariaceae.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2013 21:55, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Garg Sir,
>>>>
>>>> The following words are copied from the literature (Pennell) you have
>>>> cited -
>>>>  *"......... the free lobes of both lips rounded; ......"* (*for L.
>>>> ruderalis of Pennell; not of Voigt)*
>>>>
>>>> *I am very sorry that i fail to find any free lobes in the upper lip
>>>> of my species.*
>>>>
>>>> Instead, you may try with 1)
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Xy9ZCVzM4K4
>>>>  or
>>>> 2)
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/BkGZTIK4tYs
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> surajit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think we can finally as per latest literature as below:
>>>>> Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (2007-
>>>>> Description & Keys- *Lindenbergia **grandiflora, **macrostachya &
>>>>> ruderalis.* Also mentions 
>>>>> *L.indica*)<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=akXKOaT69SwC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=Lindenbergia+macrostachya&source=bl&ots=tnwL5PyBCc&sig=6wWhxJ-FisRCsT7-lJai8BnzQHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QBQCUtWYCoKMrQfbkoDYDg&ved=0CHgQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q=Lindenbergia%20macrostachya&f=false>
>>>>>  taking
>>>>> it as *Lindenbergia ruderalis *(Retz.) Voigt
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date: 6 December 2012 21:05
>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:140003] Hooghly Today : Lindenbergia indica
>>>>> Kuntze
>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sir,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Lindenbergia urticaefolia* 
>>>>> Lehm.<http://www.mpbd.info/plants/lindenbergia-indica.php>=
>>>>> *Lindenbergia indica* 
>>>>> Kuntze<http://herbarium.lsa.umich.edu/ordering.html>,
>>>>> a wild small herb very common on old walls.
>>>>>
>>>>> ID Help :
>>>>>
>>>>>    1.
>>>>>    
>>>>> http://ia600604.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000237419&itemPath=%2F32%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000237419&server=ia600604.us.archive.org&page=n101_w1150.jpg
>>>>>    2.
>>>>>    
>>>>> http://ia700606.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot21753000004357&itemPath=%2F23%2Fitems%2Fmobot21753000004357&server=ia700606.us.archive.org&page=n265_w1150.jpg
>>>>>    3.
>>>>>    https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/Yle92cTLL5c/discussion
>>>>>    4.
>>>>>    
>>>>> http://www.arkive.org/lindenbergia/lindenbergia-indica/image-G119464.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It is interesting to note that FoI has two different species, using
>>>>> the same synonym *Lindenbergia urticaefolia* !!! Also confusing (to
>>>>> me) old eFI records.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you & Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> surajit
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> With regards,
>>>>> J.M.Garg
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With regards,
>>> J.M.Garg
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> With regards,
> J.M.Garg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& 
> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged
> alphabetically & place-wise):
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use
> them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
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> of more than 8500 species & 1,70, 000 images).
> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
> India'.
>



-- 
With regards,
J.M.Garg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* &
eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged
alphabetically & place-wise):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them
for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world):
http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2135 members &
1,61,500 messages on 31/7/13) or Efloraofindia website:
https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database
of more than 8500 species & 1,70, 000 images).
Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
India'.

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