Reply from Dr. Archer; "Dear Garg, ji and everybody Coming back with computer problems… I sent the pictures to Marie Jordaan, who is currently revising the genus Gymnosporia. She feels the name *Gymnosporia montana* should be applied to these. It is often that thorns are absent from tree.
As we are currently using Gymnosporia senegalensis is a African species that occur up to Pakistan and possibly in India. The other species of Gymnosporia occurring in Southern India and Sri Lanka is Gymnosporia emarginata, a species that extend to Australia. Thank you very much, Robert Robert H. Archer COM specialist Scientist National Biodiversity Institute" 2009/11/17 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > Hi, Neil ji, > I check all my original pictures (around 12) of two different trees, one of > them a large one. I didn't get any hint of spines in these. > 2009/11/17 Neil Soares <[email protected]> > > Hi Mr.Garg, >> On some smaller shrubs spines are not always present. You have consider >> the larger picture. >> Regards, >> Neil. >> >> >> --- On *Tue, 11/17/09, J.M. Garg <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:23175] Re: Elaeodendron glaucum >> To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "Satish Phadke" <[email protected]>, "Vijayasankar Raman" < >> [email protected]>, "indiantreepix" < >> [email protected]>, "Robert" <[email protected]>, "oikos for >> ecological services" <[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 10:15 AM >> >> >> Hi, Neil ji, >> What would you like to say of no spines seen on the branches/ tree etc. in >> my plant? >> >> 2009/11/16 Neil Soares >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> >>> Hi Mr.Garg & Satish, >>> Sorry to come in so late. Was at a Marine Bio-diversity Camp in the >>> Gulf of Kutch. >>> It is definitely not Cassine glauca [Elaeodendron glaucum]. It is a >>> Meytenus sp.- most likely M.senegalensis. >>> Regards, >>> Neil. >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 11/16/09, J.M. Garg >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: J.M. Garg >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:23175] Re: Elaeodendron glaucum >>> To: "Satish Phadke" >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Cc: "Vijayasankar Raman" >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, >>> "indiantreepix" >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, >>> "Robert" >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, >>> "Neil Soares" >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, >>> "oikos for ecological services" >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:03 PM >>> >>> Based on Satish ji's observation, I again revisited all the threads on >>> *Maytenus senegalensis* in Indiantreepix database. >>> My further *identification as Maytenus senegalensis based on the >>> following thread is not correct* (as the identification in the thread >>> itself is now doubtful as there are no spines as also in my post): >>> >>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/e7618e541371f5e7 >>> I am also ruling out *Celastrus paniculata* as it's a woody climber as >>> per link of Forest Flora of A.P.: >>> >>> http://forest.ap.nic.in/Forest%20Flora%20of%20Andhra%20Pradesh/Flora%20by%20M%20Sharfuddin%20Khan/Botanical%20Names/Celastrus%20paniculata.htm >>> These are the only species of *Maytenus/ * *Celastrus/ >>> Gymnosporia*mentioned in Forest Flora of A.P. >>> May Dr. Archer sort out the things now. >>> >>> 2009/11/16 J.M. Garg >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> >>>> Hi, Satish ji, >>>> What possibly I ignored most in the first instance was the* white >>>> colour* of my plant compared to the light green of the petals of >>>> *Elaeodendron >>>> glaucum*, which were also *thinner* compared to those of *Elaeodendron >>>> glaucum.* >>>> >>>> 2009/11/16 Satish Phadke >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Dear Vijay ji and Garg ji. >>>>> Both the plants are from family Celastraceae so the flowers are bound >>>>> to be similar looking. >>>>> Were the branches terminating into flower and leaf bearing spines? >>>>> I may be wrong and open for discussion. I still feel it to be >>>>> *Elaeodendron >>>>> glaucum*. >>>>> The points in its favour. >>>>> The picture appears to be of a small tree rather than a shrub. The >>>>> calyx lobes are deeply divided. We might get some opinions..... >>>>> Regards >>>>> Satish >>>>> Attaching some more pictures of what I believe to be *Elaeodendron >>>>> glaucum >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> 2009/11/16 Vijayasankar Raman >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Garg ji & Satish ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry to differ, I don't think it is Elaeodendron (= Cassine) glaucum. >>>>>> For me it looks like a species of Gymnosporia (= Maytenus). >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's wait for experts comments. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards >>>>>> >>>>>> R. 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