Thank you Sir. I will try to visit the plant after a month or two, to see if fruit develops. Also would try to get close photographs of leaf for stipular scar.
Regards On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > I think yes, and not really developing carpel region. > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:30 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> Bold letter is meant only for my future reference, nothing else. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> >>> Didn't imagine this simple very fragrant flower can invite so much >>> puzzle! Bimal Da informs that it might be *M. alba*. >>> >>> - Naming issue :- >>> >>> *Michelia alba* DC. - TPL >>> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-50099121?ref=tpl1> >>> recognizes but GRIN >>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/splist.pl?28260> or FoC >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=120458>doesn't, >>> while another document from China does accept - >>> http://www.jse.ac.cn/wenzhang/aps06137.pdf. According to this >>> particular pdf file - 1) *stipular scar nearly to half of petiole = >>> alba* 2) *stipular scar longer than half of petiole = **champaca* . >>> Unfortunately none of my photographs shows clear stipular scars (I was >>> outside the boundary wall!). >>> >>> *Michelia* x* alba* (DC.) Figlar - GRIN >>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?452629> & FoC >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250090229> >>> accept but TPL <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-252903> >>> doesn't. TopTropicals features it >>> <http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/michelia_alba.htm> and at the same >>> time it features one *M. champaca* var. *alba* >>> <http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/michelia_champaca.htm> (please >>> scroll down the page)! >>> >>> - Tepal issue :- >>> >>> *M. champaca* - 15-20 (FoC >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008479>); >>> 12-20 (FoP >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200008479>) >>> *M. *x *alba* - 10 in FoC >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250090229>, >>> but variable in TopTropicles >>> <http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/michelia_alba.htm>. Again my >>> photographs are not decisive about the number of tepals, one perhaps shows >>> 12 tepals. >>> >>> The issue has been raised in another forum - >>> http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fragrant/msg0201072222522.html?8. >>> However, another interesting document/pdf is at >>> http://members.tripod.com/hatch_l/woodymi5d.pdf which *groups alba, x >>> alba and var, alba together* and the species - (i) *tepals very narrow, >>> linear to lanceolate, twisted, spidery effect* (ii) leaves medium to >>> light green against other spp. Yet another article >>> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/40287694/Michelia-Champaca-and-Michelia-Alba> >>> informs flowers are zygomorphic *irregular in alba* and zygomorphic >>> with bilateral symmetry in *champaca*. >>> >>> So, finally I think this plant is not *M. champaca* L. and would like >>> to follow GRIN or FoC naming convention. >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Surajit ji >>>> Please solve the puzzle lest I may be tempted to shoot out a name of >>>> plant I had photographed in SFO Botanical Garden >>>> Any way it is there in our forum. >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:27 AM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Until a little while ago I knew this is *Michelia champaca* L., the >>>>> scientific name of CHAMPA. But the KEY >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=120458#KEY-1-24> >>>>> in FoC and an article >>>>> <http://dokmaidogma.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/a-fragrant-magnolia-suitable-for-the-hot-and-dry-chiang-mai-valley/> >>>>> drew my attention. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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