Dear Dinesh Ji, You can go ahead with *J. multiflorum*, even after the shortage of at least one petal. The lower leaves of 2nd pic in the series clearly shows smaller leaf, just as in KEW herb.
Thank you very much for bearing with me. Regards surajit On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:27 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Dinesh Ji, > > I am really sorry that I gave you a wrong direction, regarding the ID of > https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/12909870533/sizes/l. There is > a problem here and in the series you have linked > <https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Jasminum+coarctatum&d=taken-20140221-20140223&ct=0&mt=all&w=91314344%40N00&adv=1>. > I only stressed on bracts, overlooked number of corolla lobes. > > Again I think none of the above series is *J. coarctatum*. > > But, now I am hesitant about *multiflorum* too, for corolla lobes should > be 7-9 (FoC), or 6-9 (FoP, FI). Here they are five. > > The sepals in your pics are long, linear, pubescent; nerves are 4 pairs. > > If we go through FBI we are left with only *sambac*, *multiflorum* and > *malabaricum*. We can skip three or four more for they are not > distributed in South-West I think.m Rest of the FBI species have sepals > either short to minute lobes or glabrous. > > We can skip *malabaricum* for number of sec. nerves is more in that > species. > > For, *sambac*, it is a real problem. It can have 5 corolla lobes (FoP). > But, in wild form cymes should be few flowered, 3 (FBI), 1-5 (FoC). > > Roxburgh's *J. bracteatum* > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-351758> is synonymous with *J. > pubescens* Willd. of FBI, this var. can have 5 (5-8) corolla lobes (FI). > > So, please note loops of lateral veins > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000545670>, your > species should not be *sambac*, I think, either *multiflorum* or > *bracteatum* Roxb. Please do check your local flora and give your opinion. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Surajit ji, thanks very much ... by now, I have lost my familiarity with >> *coarctatum* & *multiflorum*; I will have to slowly build it up in due >> course by meeting them in future. >> >> About the point where you are suggesting one of my plants as >> *multiflorum*, requesting you to look at other views of the same plant >> <https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Jasminum+coarctatum&d=taken-20140221-20140223&ct=0&mt=all&w=91314344%40N00&adv=1> >> and express your views with confidence. Will then gladly correct my notes >> at flickr. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 7:50 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, Dinesh Ji, I agree, I have read about white bracts in FBI, of >>> *coarctatum* and *rottlerianum*. FBI says "prominent white" in both. I >>> couldn't find, in the net, the paper, 'Taxonomic notes on two...', Santhosh >>> Ji mentioned in the thread - >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/w71Qu08WXV8/kK1z788DNQwJ. >>> >>> However, Wight recorded, in his Ic Pl >>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=130341&height=950>, >>> bracts of *J. rottlerianum* are with "pale whitish hue". FBI has a var. >>> of *rottlerianum*, var. *thwaitesii* from 'Nilgherries' where bracts >>> are "whitish". >>> >>> I can be wrong while trying to guess and express my thoughts about the >>> two species, *coarctatum* complex, and *mutiflorum*, my points are - >>> >>> - in illustration of Burm. f. of *J. multiflorum* >>> >>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=167716&height=750> >>> no >>> bract can be seen >>> - FoC informs bracts in *multiflorum* are leafy, basal ovate, upper >>> linear (please also see note in FBI) >>> - if you see the corolla tubes in your photographs you will notice >>> tube is rather extended, inflated in the upper part, just bellow the >>> spreading lobes, which I think are missing in *multiflorum* uploads, >>> both in cultivated form and in wild form >>> - I think in *multiflorum* corolla tube evenly dilated from base to >>> lobes >>> - if you permit me I think your >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/12909870533/sizes/l >>> series is *multiflorum* >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Surajit ji for dissection of the various descriptions ! >>>> >>>> Just for information, a descriptive name given in Tamil lexicon >>>> <http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:6189.tamillex> >>>> [Madras], University of Madras for *J. rottlerianum* ... synonym of *J. >>>> coarctatum* var *coarctatum*. is *white-bracted jasmine* ! Not sure >>>> whether the bracts of *J. coarctatum *are indeed white-coloured; it >>>> could also imply the bracts are brighter OR lighter tone than that of other >>>> *Jasminum* species. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 8:56 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dinesh Ji, >>>>> >>>>> I think the confusion lies in the description of bracts. Even Flora >>>>> Indica recorded bracts are few, lanceolate in *J. pubescens*. >>>>> Surprisingly FI doesn't give description of bracts of *J. coarctatum*, >>>>> only informs. "amply bracted." >>>>> >>>>> Sir Prain also recorded that bracts, in *J. pubescens*, often absent, >>>>> if present ovate-lanceolate. >>>>> >>>>> Only Haines, in his BoBO, described "bracts same shape as leaves". >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps Rheede's illustration may also created confusion which was >>>>> addressed in FBI. You might have already read the FBI and other >>>>> literature. >>>>> Yet I attach here the FBI and BoBO entry, for further examination. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I went through all the posts in the group's database. Those posted >>>>>> from the north India as *J. multiflorum* are definitely different >>>>>> from what I have posted. The posted plant agrees very well with *J. >>>>>> coarctatum. * >>>>>> >>>>>> I also found another post from south (Anurag's ANFEB29 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/E2v-vQtyIIQ/q1IjXKwogUQJ>) >>>>>> which was thought to be *J. multiflorum* - but you have commented as *J. >>>>>> coarctatum.* >>>>>> >>>>>> Many many thanks Surajit ji for validating this ID. Will correct my >>>>>> notes at flickr soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:41 AM, surajitkoley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dinesh Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks different to what I have, identified by Santhosh Sir, twice. >>>>>>> I think your flickr uploads of *J. multiflorum* and *J. coarctatum* got >>>>>>> mixed up. >>>>>>> Please correct me if I am wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, 2 March 2015 19:44:28 UTC+5:30, Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Mollem National Park] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F16693248625&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdU1yr-dhDNWNlrHzVrIWzDkG3nBQ>Mollem >>>>>>>> National Park ... Goa >>>>>>>> *Date*: 23 APR 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 200 m asl >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *Jasminum multiflorum* (Burm.f.) Andrews ... (family: Oleaceae)[image: >>>>>>>> Jasminum multiflorum (Burm.f.) Andrews] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F5661090073&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeaWMkeNYntYTRPsYw8KmxxrPGyww> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Kunda (Sanskrit: कुन्द)] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F5661092479&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfhmc0KlqYQ4SQE2OoH2HCBWdJupQ> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Kunda (Hindi: कुंद)] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F5661095327&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzebVeQvFjlQPxNRH8Lu8SDawIIO-A> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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