Thank you Dr Singh. It was from your post and the well-explained differences between A. arvensis and A. foemina that I had concluded my sample to be A. arvensis subsp. caerulea.
Regards, Ashwini > On 01-May-2015, at 7:14 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ashwini ji > I have discussed this in detail in my earlier post. Yours is clearly A. > arvensis subsp. caerulea. > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Ananagalis$20arvensis$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/4EXykhCkjE8/SrpmLHwTUaoJ > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Ananagalis$20arvensis$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/4EXykhCkjE8/SrpmLHwTUaoJ> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ <http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:48 PM, surajit koley > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > This is a tough question, to differentiate the two taxa (or is it one?), in > spite of eFI having a clear demarcation. > > Flower character, length of pedicels etc are often overlapping. While sites > like > http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-490a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Html/Anagallis_arvensis.htm > > <http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-490a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Html/Anagallis_arvensis.htm> > or http://flowers2.la.coocan.jp/Myrsinaceae/Anagallis%20arvensis.htm > <http://flowers2.la.coocan.jp/Myrsinaceae/Anagallis%20arvensis.htm> or > http://hirc.botanic.hr/fcd/DetaljiFrame.aspx?IdVrste=941 > <http://hirc.botanic.hr/fcd/DetaljiFrame.aspx?IdVrste=941> think all is same > some other sites like the following links think otherwise - > http://www.floravascular.com/index.php?spp=Anagallis%20foemina > <http://www.floravascular.com/index.php?spp=Anagallis%20foemina> > http://www.floravascular.com/index.php?spp=Anagallis%20arvensis > <http://www.floravascular.com/index.php?spp=Anagallis%20arvensis> > I think number of seeds may help - 10 to 23 in foemina and 20 to 35 in > arvensis (caerulea L.). > > Here is KEW herb of foemina - > http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000750810 > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000750810>. > > Since pedicels in the attached pics are longer than the subtending leaves, > and I prefer to follow FoC it is likely to be A. arvensis L. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I think you should be right. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: 24 April 2015 at 17:51 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:221413] Re: Blue Pimpernel ABAPR01/17 > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > Thank you very much Dr Garg. I am attaching here more photos to go with the > key. Please advise if my understanding is correct; > > > The first sample, petals are longer than sepals and petal edges are minutely > hairy like a torn paper. > <_MG_0262_13April15.jpg> > > The second sample from a different location shows pedicel longer than leaves. > > <_MG_0272_18April15.jpg> > > Petals are overlapping. > <_MG_0272c_18April15.jpg> > > > Can we conclude from this that the flower is A. arvensis var. caerulea? > > Thanks and regards, > Ashwini > > >> On 24-Apr-2015, at 5:24 pm, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Keys are available at Anagallis >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/primulaceae/anagallis> >> >> On 24 April 2015 at 17:15, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Thank you Dr Garg. I am not sure if it is Anagallis arvensis ssp. foemina or >> Lysimachia formina. The following is from my original message on this thread; >> >> "FOI website lists it (or a similar one) as Anagallis arvensis ssp. foemina. >> Alok Mahendroo ji's excellent nature blog says Anagallis arvensis var. >> coerulea. Wikipedia cautions not to confuse the blue variation of A. >> arvensis with A. foemina (or Lysimachia formina) as they are categorised as >> different species after DNA studies. >> >> I do not have the key to differentiate the two. Please advise.” >> >> Warm regards, >> Ashwini >> >>> On 24-Apr-2015, at 2:14 pm, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Pl. see Anagallis >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/primulaceae/anagallis> >>> >>> On 18 April 2015 at 21:25, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> I found a few more plants at Gaggal Airport and am sharing them here to >>> confirm the ID if possible. >>> >>> Gaggal Airport >>> 1300m approx >>> 18 April 2015 >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> <_MG_0265_18April15.jpg><_MG_0269_18April15.jpg> >>> >>> On 15-Apr-2015, at 9:05 am, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> I saw these tiny blue flowers in the lower town where I had gone to >>>> partake in a local feast. I tried to photograph it on my phone but was >>>> unable to do so properly on account of the flower being too small for a >>>> clear picture. I collected a sample and hoped that it didn't wilt in the >>>> time it took me to reach home. It survived the journey and I made some >>>> photographs propping it up with a discarded cardboard box (hence the brown >>>> in the pictures). >>>> >>>> I was tickled on finding that it was called the Blue Pimpernel and was >>>> useful as a weather indicator due to its propensity to close before bad >>>> weather. I have not yet asked the local shepherds if they use this >>>> 'shepherd's weather-glass', but will do so soon. FOI website lists it (or >>>> a similar one) as Anagallis arvensis ssp. foemina. Alok Mahendroo ji's >>>> excellent nature blog says Anagallis arvensis var. coerulea. Wikipedia >>>> cautions not to confuse the blue variation of A. arvensis with A. foemina >>>> (or Lysimachia formina) as they are categorised as different species after >>>> DNA studies. >>>> >>>> I do not have the key to differentiate the two. 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