Ushadi In systematics we say, if some characters overlap, we do not rely on single character, but a combination of characters.
Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Dr Singh. It was from your post and the well-explained > differences between *A. arvensis* and *A. foemina* that I had concluded > my sample to be *A. arvensis subsp. caerulea*. > > Regards, > Ashwini > > > On 01-May-2015, at 7:14 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ashwini ji > I have discussed this in detail in my earlier post. Yours is clearly A. > arvensis subsp. caerulea. > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Ananagalis$20arvensis$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/4EXykhCkjE8/SrpmLHwTUaoJ > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:48 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is a tough question, to differentiate the two taxa (or is it one?), >> in spite of eFI having a clear demarcation. >> >> Flower character, length of pedicels etc are often overlapping. While >> sites like >> http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-490a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Html/Anagallis_arvensis.htm >> or http://flowers2.la.coocan.jp/Myrsinaceae/Anagallis%20arvensis.htm or >> http://hirc.botanic.hr/fcd/DetaljiFrame.aspx?IdVrste=941 think all is >> same some other sites like the following links think otherwise - >> >> 1. http://www.floravascular.com/index.php?spp=Anagallis%20foemina >> 2. http://www.floravascular.com/index.php?spp=Anagallis%20arvensis >> >> I think number of seeds may help - 10 to 23 in *foemina* and 20 to 35 in >> *arvensis* (*caerulea* L.). >> >> Here is KEW herb of *foemina* - >> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000750810. >> >> Since pedicels in the attached pics are longer than the subtending >> leaves, and I prefer to follow FoC it is likely to be *A. arvensis* L. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:47 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think you should be right. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>> Date: 24 April 2015 at 17:51 >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:221413] Re: Blue Pimpernel ABAPR01/17 >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much Dr Garg. I am attaching here more photos to go with >>> the key. Please advise if my understanding is correct; >>> >>> >>> The first sample, petals are longer than sepals and petal edges are >>> minutely hairy like a torn paper. >>> <_MG_0262_13April15.jpg> >>> >>> The second sample from a different location shows pedicel longer than >>> leaves. >>> >>> <_MG_0272_18April15.jpg> >>> >>> Petals are overlapping. >>> <_MG_0272c_18April15.jpg> >>> >>> >>> Can we conclude from this that the flower is *A. arvensis var. caerulea* >>> ? >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> On 24-Apr-2015, at 5:24 pm, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Keys are available at Anagallis >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/primulaceae/anagallis> >>> >>> On 24 April 2015 at 17:15, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Dr Garg. I am not sure if it is *Anagallis arvensis ssp. >>>> foemina *or *Lysimachia formina. *The following is from my original >>>> message on this thread; >>>> >>>> "FOI website lists it (or a similar one) as *Anagallis arvensis ssp. >>>> foemina*. Alok Mahendroo ji's excellent nature blog says *Anagallis >>>> arvensis var. coerulea*. Wikipedia cautions not to confuse the blue >>>> variation of *A. arvensis* with *A. foemina* (or *Lysimachia formina*) >>>> as they are categorised as different species after DNA studies. >>>> >>>> I do not have the key to differentiate the two. Please advise.” >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> On 24-Apr-2015, at 2:14 pm, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Pl. see Anagallis >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/primulaceae/anagallis> >>>> >>>> On 18 April 2015 at 21:25, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I found a few more plants at Gaggal Airport and am sharing them here >>>>> to confirm the ID if possible. >>>>> >>>>> Gaggal Airport >>>>> 1300m approx >>>>> 18 April 2015 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> <_MG_0265_18April15.jpg><_MG_0269_18April15.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> On 15-Apr-2015, at 9:05 am, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I saw these tiny blue flowers in the lower town where I had gone to >>>>> partake in a local feast. I tried to photograph it on my phone but was >>>>> unable to do so properly on account of the flower being too small for a >>>>> clear picture. I collected a sample and hoped that it didn't wilt in the >>>>> time it took me to reach home. It survived the journey and I made some >>>>> photographs propping it up with a discarded cardboard box (hence the brown >>>>> in the pictures). >>>>> >>>>> I was tickled on finding that it was called the Blue Pimpernel and was >>>>> useful as a weather indicator due to its propensity to close before bad >>>>> weather. I have not yet asked the local shepherds if they use this >>>>> 'shepherd's weather-glass', but will do so soon. FOI website lists it (or >>>>> a >>>>> similar one) as *Anagallis arvensis ssp. foemina*. Alok Mahendroo >>>>> ji's excellent nature blog says *Anagallis arvensis var. coerulea*. >>>>> Wikipedia cautions not to confuse the blue variation of *A. arvensis* >>>>> with *A. foemina* (or *Lysimachia formina*) as they are categorised >>>>> as different species after DNA studies. >>>>> >>>>> I do not have the key to differentiate the two. Please advise. >>>>> >>>>> Blue Pimpernel >>>>> Dharamshala, HP >>>>> 1500m approx. >>>>> 13 April 2015 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> <_MG_0235_13April15.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_0234_13April15.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_0223_13April15.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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