Unfortunately the page is not visible now, Sir, not only that page I have also seen the edit page (of the link you have provided) at http://plants.jstor.org/stable/history/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000950202
Both the pages carried names of authors updated the related herbarium, and the top most author was Bruggen. Thank you Regards On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps this should help in reaching conclusion keeping in mind > conclusions by me and Garg ji. > > http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000950197. > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:07 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Anurag Ji, >> >> I can clearly see the fruits of this species, those fruits can't be >> called smooth and Roxburgh was correct. I said Roxburgh would know his >> species better than any other source. >> >> I copy here a few words from "Revision of the Genus *Aponogeton* / H. W. >> E. VAN BRUGGEN" :- >> >> - ovules 4-8; tepals white, pink, or violet ... fruit with very long >> (1mm) terminal beak = *natans* >> - ovules 2 (seldom1); ................... fruit smooth = *crispus* >> - do ............................... fruit mostly with irregular >> excrescences, seldom smooth.... = *echinatus* >> >> The differences between the 2nd and 3rd above lie in tuber, leaf, >> inflorescence, tepal, filament, fruit and plumule. >> >> So, you can boldly go ahead with the ID *A. echinatus* Roxb. with your >> species, no matter eFI admit or not. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> >> surajit koley >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:45 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So where do we stand Sir? >>> >>> Roxburgh's *A. echinatus*(*m*) is dubius/uncofirmed, meaning Roxburgh >>> may not be correct at all! Thereby Wight and Prain are also wrong! >>> >>> TPL thinks *A. echinatus* Roxb. is synonymous with, that too with three >>> stars, with *A. crispus* Thunb. >>> >>> You, based on inflorescence colour and Garg Sir, based on leaf, think >>> the species submitted by Anurag Ji is *A. natans* (L.) Engl. & K. >>> Krause. >>> >>> So be it..... thank you very much. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Surajit ji >>>> Current accpted name of A. echinatum Roxb. is A. crispus and not A. >>>> natans. Please note that Engler's revision puts it under unconfirmed/dubius >>>> species. Even FBI mentions mix up in Roxburgh's plates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 6:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Sir for taking care. Anurag Ji's point is that fruits here are >>>>> echinate, so it should be *A. echinatum* Roxb. Now, if the current >>>>> accepted name of *A. echinatum* Roxb. is *A. natans* then it is the >>>>> same. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is old lit consider all three different taxa. >>>>> >>>>> Another problem is nowhere I could find that *A. natans* can have >>>>> echinate fruit/capsule. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a paper from Pakistan >>>>> http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/40(1)/PJB40(1)001.pdf >>>>> >>>>> And here is the protologue - >>>>> http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/16802027#page/16/mode/1up >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> While doing ecology practicals nearly 48 years back in Kashmir, and >>>>>> luckily I still remember, we had a few clear cut species of Potamogeton: >>>>>> P. >>>>>> pectinatus with finely dissected leaves, P. lucens with semitransparent >>>>>> leaves, P. natans with thick flat shining floating leaves and P. crispus >>>>>> with wavy (crisped) leaves. We did not know about Aponogeton as it is a >>>>>> basically an ornamental plant of warmer climates, mostly used in >>>>>> aquarium. >>>>>> Yet it has two similar species (which differ besides technical >>>>>> characters, >>>>>> by the absence of above mud stems clearly seen in Potamogeton). with >>>>>> similar names Aponogeton natans (with broad flat leaves) and A. crispus >>>>>> Thunb (syn: A. echinatus Roxb.). To me both Potamogeton crispus and >>>>>> Aponogeton crispus are out of contension. Whereas presence or absence of >>>>>> above mud stems is important for diagnosis, but the colour of >>>>>> inflorescence >>>>>> easily places it as Aponogeton natans. I hope I am not wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:21 PM, surajitkoley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps Roxburgh would know (his) species better than any other >>>>>>> sources. Attached here entries from FBI, FI, BP, BoBO. >>>>>>> Two kew heb - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950197 >>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950202 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 2 May 2015 16:21:52 UTC+5:30, Anurag Sharma wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Family: Aponogetonaceae >>>>>>>> Date: 29th April 2015 >>>>>>>> Place: Tumkur-Hassan district, Karnataka >>>>>>>> Habit: Herb >>>>>>>> Habitat: Aquatic/Pond >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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