Here it is again Sir thank you
Regards ] On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:34 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Unfortunately the page is not visible now, Sir, not only that page I have > also seen the edit page (of the link you have provided) at > http://plants.jstor.org/stable/history/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000950202 > > Both the pages carried names of authors updated the related herbarium, and > the top most author was Bruggen. > > Thank you > > Regards > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Perhaps this should help in reaching conclusion keeping in mind >> conclusions by me and Garg ji. >> >> http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000950197. >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:07 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>> >>> I can clearly see the fruits of this species, those fruits can't be >>> called smooth and Roxburgh was correct. I said Roxburgh would know his >>> species better than any other source. >>> >>> I copy here a few words from "Revision of the Genus *Aponogeton* / H. >>> W. E. VAN BRUGGEN" :- >>> >>> - ovules 4-8; tepals white, pink, or violet ... fruit with very long >>> (1mm) terminal beak = *natans* >>> - ovules 2 (seldom1); ................... fruit smooth = *crispus* >>> - do ............................... fruit mostly with irregular >>> excrescences, seldom smooth.... = *echinatus* >>> >>> The differences between the 2nd and 3rd above lie in tuber, leaf, >>> inflorescence, tepal, filament, fruit and plumule. >>> >>> So, you can boldly go ahead with the ID *A. echinatus* Roxb. with your >>> species, no matter eFI admit or not. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> >>> surajit koley >>> >>> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:45 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> So where do we stand Sir? >>>> >>>> Roxburgh's *A. echinatus*(*m*) is dubius/uncofirmed, meaning Roxburgh >>>> may not be correct at all! Thereby Wight and Prain are also wrong! >>>> >>>> TPL thinks *A. echinatus* Roxb. is synonymous with, that too with >>>> three stars, with *A. crispus* Thunb. >>>> >>>> You, based on inflorescence colour and Garg Sir, based on leaf, think >>>> the species submitted by Anurag Ji is *A. natans* (L.) Engl. & K. >>>> Krause. >>>> >>>> So be it..... thank you very much. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Surajit ji >>>>> Current accpted name of A. echinatum Roxb. is A. crispus and not A. >>>>> natans. Please note that Engler's revision puts it under >>>>> unconfirmed/dubius >>>>> species. Even FBI mentions mix up in Roxburgh's plates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 6:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Sir for taking care. Anurag Ji's point is that fruits here are >>>>>> echinate, so it should be *A. echinatum* Roxb. Now, if the current >>>>>> accepted name of *A. echinatum* Roxb. is *A. natans* then it is the >>>>>> same. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is old lit consider all three different taxa. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another problem is nowhere I could find that *A. natans* can have >>>>>> echinate fruit/capsule. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a paper from Pakistan >>>>>> http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/40(1)/PJB40(1)001.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> And here is the protologue - >>>>>> http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/16802027#page/16/mode/1up >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> While doing ecology practicals nearly 48 years back in Kashmir, and >>>>>>> luckily I still remember, we had a few clear cut species of >>>>>>> Potamogeton: P. >>>>>>> pectinatus with finely dissected leaves, P. lucens with semitransparent >>>>>>> leaves, P. natans with thick flat shining floating leaves and P. crispus >>>>>>> with wavy (crisped) leaves. We did not know about Aponogeton as it is a >>>>>>> basically an ornamental plant of warmer climates, mostly used in >>>>>>> aquarium. >>>>>>> Yet it has two similar species (which differ besides technical >>>>>>> characters, >>>>>>> by the absence of above mud stems clearly seen in Potamogeton). with >>>>>>> similar names Aponogeton natans (with broad flat leaves) and A. crispus >>>>>>> Thunb (syn: A. echinatus Roxb.). To me both Potamogeton crispus and >>>>>>> Aponogeton crispus are out of contension. Whereas presence or absence of >>>>>>> above mud stems is important for diagnosis, but the colour of >>>>>>> inflorescence >>>>>>> easily places it as Aponogeton natans. I hope I am not wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:21 PM, surajitkoley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps Roxburgh would know (his) species better than any other >>>>>>>> sources. Attached here entries from FBI, FI, BP, BoBO. >>>>>>>> Two kew heb - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950197 >>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950202 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 2 May 2015 16:21:52 UTC+5:30, Anurag Sharma wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Family: Aponogetonaceae >>>>>>>>> Date: 29th April 2015 >>>>>>>>> Place: Tumkur-Hassan district, Karnataka >>>>>>>>> Habit: Herb >>>>>>>>> Habitat: Aquatic/Pond >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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