This strengthens my view that catechu and polyacantha are one and the same On Dec 26, 2015 12:26 AM, "tsp kumar" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tapas ji, My observation over the years is that the spines or the thorns > vanish with maturity...! > regards > tspkumar > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ushadi, >> So far as I understand, the basic difference between Senegalia and >> Vachellia is that in the former, there will be prickles scattered all over >> the branchlets while the stipules are modified into spines in the latter. >> Here, the spines that you mention in the link are the characters of >> Senegalia. Now coming back to the differences between S. catechu (formerly >> Acacia catechu) and S. polyacantha (formerly Acacia polyacantha), in my >> opinion, there is none but as per some sources, the main trunk should >> contain spines in case of polyacantha and this character of difference can >> be established and elucidated only through field observations on greater >> areas of distribution of the plants involved. >> Regards, >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:48 AM, tsp kumar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ushaji,I will try to re-visit the next time I go there and get back to >>> you. >>> thanks and regards >>> tspkumar >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> look at thorn in the link i gave and gargji gave a while back (same >>>> page) >>>> the thorn is unmistakable >>>> not nubs >>>> real thorns >>>> >>>> >>>> so if you happen to be in the same part of the forest may be we get to >>>> see the thorns? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> usha di >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:39 AM, tsp kumar <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Ushaji for the feed back.Unfortunately I do not have pictures >>>>> other than the ones that I have uploaded.By the way,Burr -like thorns are >>>>> visible in image no 2.Would this help...? >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> interesting study by Tapasda >>>>>> >>>>>> in the first picture upon enlarging there is a thorn i think ... in >>>>>> the branch that's rising diagonally in the bottom of the picture and is >>>>>> ending with a couple of inflorescence a small red tipped thorn seems to >>>>>> be >>>>>> present >>>>>> *TSP do you have pictures of the thorns?* >>>>>> >>>>>> since Senegalia polycantha 's colloquial names include claw thorn. >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/senegalia/acacia-polyacantha> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> usha di >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am going through these images again and again and comparing them >>>>>>> with the existing literature and data available to me. Once again, I am >>>>>>> unable to distinguishing Acacia polyacantha with Acacia catechu. The >>>>>>> cracks and fissures on the stem are usual in the latter and therefore I >>>>>>> think it should be called Senegalia catechu, with S. polyacantha as its >>>>>>> synonym. >>>>>>> Tapas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yesterday I observed that this might be Senegalia catechu. After >>>>>>>> further search through literature, I find that the plants with armed >>>>>>>> stem >>>>>>>> may be regarded as a variant, or a distict species, on this character >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the available name for this entity is Senegalia polycantha, which is, >>>>>>>> howerver, otherwise indistinguishable from S. catechu. This matter >>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>> settled only by careful field studies of populations by some young and >>>>>>>> energetic person. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Muthu Karthick <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Acacia chundra* of Mimosaceae? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:09 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> efi page on Senegalia polyacantha >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/senegalia/acacia-polyacantha> >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> images >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: tsp kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 12 December 2015 at 23:51 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:237149] ID-TSP-12DEC2015-1: Fabaceae >>>>>>>>>> specimen for ID >>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kindly identify this specimen belonging to Fabaceae. Could this >>>>>>>>>> be Senegalia polycantha...??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ref: >>>>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=1916&cat=1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Habit:Armed tree >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Habitat:Dry deciduous forest >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sighting:Devarayanadurga,Tumkur,Karnataka,about 800 msl >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date:29-06-2015 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> tspkumar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deputy Conservator of Forests >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Working Plan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chikmagalur >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ph:988057158 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *“We have not inherited this planet from our forefathers, we have >>>>>>>>>> borrowed it from our children”-An American proverb* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 2500 members & 2,25,000 messages on 18.6.15) >>>>>>>>>> or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,00,000 images). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common >>>>>>>>>> Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Usha di >>>>>> =========== >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Usha di >>>> =========== >>>> >>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
