Thanks, Chadwell ji. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: C CHADWELL Date: 24 September 2016 at 11:16 Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
Oops... made a mistake in paragraph 6 - I meant that the former species *Gentianopsis vvdenskyi* on the basis of narrower, more acuminate leaves... not *G.paludosa.* Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK http://www.shpa.org.uk/ ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> *Sent:* Saturday, 24 September 2016, 4:20 *Subject:* Fwd: Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) Thanks, Chadwell ji. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *C CHADWELL* Date: 23 September 2016 at 19:23 Subject: Re: Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> *I am in agreement that this plant appears to be within what is now* *called the Gentianopsis genus. There are 2 species recorded from Ladakh.* The Gentian family (Gentianaceae) has undergone a lot of nomenclatural and taxonomic changes in recent decades and quite a number can be difficult to identify with certainty. In my early days of exploring for plants in the Himalaya, my teams collected pressed specimens, which e.g. staff at Kew identified (e.g. a duplicate set of pressed specimens was also deposited in the herbarium of the University of Kashmir). Later on, Eona Aitken a taxonomist specialising in Gentianaceae helped with naming but she is no longer at Edinburgh - always a pity when one losses knowledgeable specialists. On my first expedition to Suru Valley, we collected at Kargil and Panichar, specimens which were named at that time as *Gentianella paludosa*. Stewart in his catalogue called this *Gentiana stracheyi* with synonyms *Gentiana detonsa* var. stracheyi and *Gentiana detonsa* var. *paludosa*. *Nowadays it is known as Gentianopsis* *paludosa*. My present understanding is that this is the commonest species of this genus in Ladakh - mostly on and close to irrigation channels of fields - though 'Flowers of the Himalaya' also say it is found on open slopes and alpine shrubberies (in other parts of the Himalaya). *But in Ladakh there is also Gentianopsis vvedenskyi *(syn. *Gentianella vvedenskyi*, *Gentiana,stricta*). Stewart comments that this has been much confused with what is now *Gentianopsis paludosa*. He separated the latter species having narrower, more acuminate leaves with less winged calyces. The specimen we collected had prominent fringed petals. My 1980 team also came across what is now *Gentianopsis vvdenenskyi* in the Suru Valley (at Rangdum) - its sepals had 5 dark stripes down each lobe but I do not know if this is characteristic of all variants of this species? Comparing the two, this example of the species appeared more delicate than the examples of *G.paludosa*. *I am no expert on Gentianaceae. My initial thoughts are that the plants photographed by Prashant at Turtuk in Ladakh do come* *with Gentianopsis paludosa. As for the plants photographed at Khardung Village by Saroj, I wonder if these might be* *Gentianopsis vvedenskyi but am uncertain? They do not have the dark stripes on the calyx lobes but do exhibit narrow* *leaves and prominent fringed petals but do not know how diagnostic these features are?* *Would be pleased if those with greater knowledge than me can comment.* What shame I am not in a position to consult Eona. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK http://www.shpa.org.uk/ ------------------------------ *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> *To:* efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2016, 13:40 *Subject:* Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. Some earlier relevant feedback: Pl. also check with images at Campanulaceae & Gentianaceae Fortnight: Gentianaceae :: Gentiana detonsa var. stacheyi from Turtuk, Ladakh::PKA13 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/JP9B9Rh50YU> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> Date: 20 September 2016 at 17:11 Subject: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) To: efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> Dear Members, Sharing some pictures I guess is Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) shot at Kahrdung Village on 21 August 2014. Thank you. Saroj Kasaju -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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