Thank you Mr. Chadwell/ Mr. Garg. Saroj Kasaju
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 4:14 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > After going through the images at http://www.plantarium.ru/page/ > image/id/118614.html, > I agree with your ID of *Gentianopsis vvdenskyi* > > On 24 September 2016 at 11:16, C CHADWELL <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Oops... made a mistake in paragraph 6 - I meant that the former species >> *Gentianopsis vvdenskyi* on the basis of narrower, more acuminate >> leaves... >> not *G.paludosa.* >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, 24 September 2016, 4:20 >> *Subject:* Fwd: Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) >> >> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: *C CHADWELL* >> Date: 23 September 2016 at 19:23 >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) >> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >> >> >> *I am in agreement that this plant appears to be within what is now* >> *called the Gentianopsis genus. There are 2 species recorded from >> Ladakh.* >> >> The Gentian family (Gentianaceae) has undergone a lot of nomenclatural >> and taxonomic changes >> in recent decades and quite a number can be difficult to identify with >> certainty. >> >> In my early days of exploring for plants in the Himalaya, my teams >> collected pressed specimens, >> which e.g. staff at Kew identified (e.g. a duplicate set of pressed >> specimens was also deposited in >> the herbarium of the University of Kashmir). Later on, Eona Aitken a >> taxonomist specialising in >> Gentianaceae helped with naming but she is no longer at Edinburgh - >> always a pity when one losses >> knowledgeable specialists. >> >> On my first expedition to Suru Valley, we collected at Kargil and >> Panichar, specimens which were named >> at that time as *Gentianella paludosa*. Stewart in his catalogue called >> this *Gentiana stracheyi* with synonyms >> *Gentiana detonsa* var. stracheyi and *Gentiana detonsa* var. *paludosa*. >> *Nowadays it is known as Gentianopsis* >> *paludosa*. My present understanding is that this is the commonest >> species of this genus in Ladakh - mostly on >> and close to irrigation channels of fields - though 'Flowers of the >> Himalaya' also say it is found on open slopes and >> alpine shrubberies (in other parts of the Himalaya). >> >> *But in Ladakh there is also Gentianopsis vvedenskyi *(syn. *Gentianella >> vvedenskyi*, *Gentiana,stricta*). Stewart comments that >> this has been much confused with what is now *Gentianopsis paludosa*. >> >> He separated the latter species having narrower, more acuminate leaves >> with less winged calyces. The specimen we >> collected had prominent fringed petals. >> >> My 1980 team also came across what is now *Gentianopsis vvdenenskyi* in >> the Suru Valley (at Rangdum) - its sepals >> had 5 dark stripes down each lobe but I do not know if this is >> characteristic of all variants of this species? Comparing the >> two, this example of the species appeared more delicate than the examples >> of *G.paludosa*. >> >> *I am no expert on Gentianaceae. My initial thoughts are that the plants >> photographed by Prashant at Turtuk in Ladakh do come* >> *with Gentianopsis paludosa. As for the plants photographed at Khardung >> Village by Saroj, I wonder if these might be* >> *Gentianopsis vvedenskyi but am uncertain? They do not have the dark >> stripes on the calyx lobes but do exhibit narrow* >> *leaves and prominent fringed petals but do not know how diagnostic these >> features are?* >> >> *Would be pleased if those with greater knowledge than me can comment.* >> What shame I am not in a position to consult Eona. >> >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >> *To:* efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>> >> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2016, 13:40 >> *Subject:* Fwd: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) >> >> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> Pl. also check with images at Campanulaceae & Gentianaceae Fortnight: >> Gentianaceae :: Gentiana detonsa var. stacheyi from Turtuk, Ladakh::PKA13 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/JP9B9Rh50YU> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> >> Date: 20 September 2016 at 17:11 >> Subject: Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. Hooker) >> To: efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>>, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >> >> >> Dear Members, >> >> Sharing some pictures I guess is Gentianopsis paludosa (Munro ex J. D. >> Hooker) shot at Kahrdung Village on 21 August 2014. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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