Hi, Tabish ji. Did you get any more feedback in the matter pl. ? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tabish <[email protected]> Date: 13 July 2016 at 17:25 Subject: Re: Phlogacanthus of NE India To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "D.S Rawat" < [email protected]>, "Dr. Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]>, Anil Thakur <[email protected]>, barnali dutta < [email protected]>
Here is response from JRI Wood who works on Acanthaceae, including Strobilanthes, and has published on Phlogacanthus too: -------------------- Dear Tabish Thanks for your enquiry. Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus and P. thyrsiformis are the same species. The correct name is Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis. I think Phlogacanthus A (the orange-flowered one) is P. thysiformis and Phlogacanthus B is P. vitellinus (P. asperulus in Flora of British India). It is difficult to be completely sure but I will have a look at the specimens when I am at Kew on Friday next week. You are right about the distinctive character of P. pubinervius. I will see if I can find a Polunin specimen to check this too. Best regards John ---------------------- Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Garg ji, > I may agree that P. thyrsiformis and P. thyrsiflorus might be the same > species, although clear mention of that I could not find, > The main problem is that the plant A and B are treated differently by > people in Manipur. A (orange one) is supposed to have medicinal qualities, > and is very regularly used in home remedies, B (the red one) is not used > for this purpose. This all indicates that they might be different species. > Opinion of experts on this genus might help. > Tabish > > > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:44 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Tabish ji. >> I have a few points to say in this regard: >> 1. Pictures like A & B has been posted from Uttarakhand & Himachal from >> where only Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/phlogacanthus/phlogacanthus-thyrsiflorus-1> >> (all >> threads herein) has been reported. >> 2. You can see the list of species found in India as per latest >> literature at Phlogacanthus >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/phlogacanthus>. >> Only *P. thyrsiformis* (Roxb. ex Hardw.) Mabb. ( >> *Karthikeyan et al. (2009)*) is found. *Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus *should >> thus be a syn. >> >> May be experts like Barnali ji (who is working on *Phlogacanthus)*, >> Rawat ji, Pankaj ji & Anil ji can give more inputs in the matter. >> >> >> >> On 6 July 2016 at 18:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>> Date: 6 July 2016 at 17:07 >>> Subject: Phlogacanthus of NE India >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Flowers of India <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dear Garg ji, >>> Thanks for reminding about this issue once again. I have been looking >>> at it, and the issue appears to be complex to me. >>> Firstly, I agree that Polunin & Stainton wrongly identified (probably) >>> Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus, as P. pubinervius. >>> Secondly, there seem to be two different plants in Manipur, locally >>> considered to be different. I am atatching pictures of them as >>> Phlogacanthus-A and Phlogacanthus-B. >>> These two look different to me because >>> 1. the inside of the flower in Phlogacanthus-B appears to be much more >>> hairy, compared to Phlogacanthus-A. >>> 2. The flower shapes look different to me, although can't be too sure >>> about that >>> 3. See where the sepals are in the fully open flowers. Look at the >>> bottom flowers in Phlogacanthus-B-2 for example, in comparison to >>> Phlogcanthus-A-1 and A-3. >>> >>> Description of P. thyrsiflorus in Flora of Brit. India says that bracts >>> are about as long as sepals, not longer. In the description of P. >>> thyrsiformis in some papers, the bracts are mentioned to be much longer >>> than sepals. Makes me wonder if these two are different plants. To me, my >>> Phlogacanthus-A appears to agree with the herbarium image of Phlogacanthus >>> thyrsiflorus at Kew: >>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950020 >>> but not my Phlogacanthus-B. >>> >>> To compound the confusion, some papers seems to consider P. >>> thyrsiformis and P. thyrsiflorus as two different plant. I attach one such >>> paper, where P. thyrsiformis is described as the plant with brick-red >>> flowers, which agrees with my Phlogacanthus-B. >>> I will be happy to have this issue resolved. This discussion which >>> already happened at efloraofindia doesn't throw any light on this. >>> Cheers! >>> Tabish >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:10 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>> Correct name of Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus at FOI >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Nongmangkha.html> should >>>> be Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis. 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