Thanks, Tabish ji On 27 Sep 2016 09:57, "Tabish" <[email protected]> wrote:
> John Wood sort of gave up on this. Here is his last response: > ------------------ > .... Phlogacanthus (and Acanthaceae) are not very easy to identify > without specimens (not so easy with specimens!). Here I have access only to > old 19th century specimens and it is not easy to match up photos with > specimens. I can do north and north eastern Indian Strobilanthes fairly > well from photos but other genera can be difficult! > > I will get back to you if I have further thoughts. > Regards > > John > ---------------------------------- > Tabish > > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:06 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, Tabish ji. >> Did you get any more feedback in the matter pl. ? >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >> Date: 13 July 2016 at 17:25 >> Subject: Re: Phlogacanthus of NE India >> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "D.S Rawat" < >> [email protected]>, "Dr. Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]>, >> Anil Thakur <[email protected]>, barnali dutta < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> Here is response from JRI Wood who works on Acanthaceae, including >> Strobilanthes, and has published on Phlogacanthus too: >> -------------------- >> Dear Tabish >> Thanks for your enquiry. >> Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus and P. thyrsiformis are the same species. The >> correct name is Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis. >> I think Phlogacanthus A (the orange-flowered one) is P. thysiformis and >> Phlogacanthus B is P. vitellinus (P. asperulus in Flora of British India). >> It is difficult to be completely sure but I will have a look at the >> specimens when I am at Kew on Friday next week. You are right about the >> distinctive character of P. pubinervius. I will see if I can find a Polunin >> specimen to check this too. >> Best regards >> John >> ---------------------- >> Tabish >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Garg ji, >>> I may agree that P. thyrsiformis and P. thyrsiflorus might be the same >>> species, although clear mention of that I could not find, >>> The main problem is that the plant A and B are treated differently by >>> people in Manipur. A (orange one) is supposed to have medicinal qualities, >>> and is very regularly used in home remedies, B (the red one) is not used >>> for this purpose. This all indicates that they might be different species. >>> Opinion of experts on this genus might help. >>> Tabish >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:44 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Tabish ji. >>>> I have a few points to say in this regard: >>>> 1. Pictures like A & B has been posted from Uttarakhand & Himachal from >>>> where only Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/phlogacanthus/phlogacanthus-thyrsiflorus-1> >>>> (all >>>> threads herein) has been reported. >>>> 2. You can see the list of species found in India as per latest >>>> literature at Phlogacanthus >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/phlogacanthus>. >>>> Only *P. thyrsiformis* (Roxb. ex Hardw.) Mabb. ( >>>> *Karthikeyan et al. (2009)*) is found. *Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus *should >>>> thus be a syn. >>>> >>>> May be experts like Barnali ji (who is working on *Phlogacanthus)*, >>>> Rawat ji, Pankaj ji & Anil ji can give more inputs in the matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 July 2016 at 18:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 6 July 2016 at 17:07 >>>>> Subject: Phlogacanthus of NE India >>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Flowers of India <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>> Thanks for reminding about this issue once again. I have been >>>>> looking at it, and the issue appears to be complex to me. >>>>> Firstly, I agree that Polunin & Stainton wrongly identified (probably) >>>>> Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus, as P. pubinervius. >>>>> Secondly, there seem to be two different plants in Manipur, locally >>>>> considered to be different. I am atatching pictures of them as >>>>> Phlogacanthus-A and Phlogacanthus-B. >>>>> These two look different to me because >>>>> 1. the inside of the flower in Phlogacanthus-B appears to be much >>>>> more hairy, compared to Phlogacanthus-A. >>>>> 2. The flower shapes look different to me, although can't be too sure >>>>> about that >>>>> 3. See where the sepals are in the fully open flowers. Look at the >>>>> bottom flowers in Phlogacanthus-B-2 for example, in comparison to >>>>> Phlogcanthus-A-1 and A-3. >>>>> >>>>> Description of P. thyrsiflorus in Flora of Brit. India says that >>>>> bracts are about as long as sepals, not longer. In the description of P. >>>>> thyrsiformis in some papers, the bracts are mentioned to be much longer >>>>> than sepals. Makes me wonder if these two are different plants. To me, my >>>>> Phlogacanthus-A appears to agree with the herbarium image of Phlogacanthus >>>>> thyrsiflorus at Kew: >>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950020 >>>>> but not my Phlogacanthus-B. >>>>> >>>>> To compound the confusion, some papers seems to consider P. >>>>> thyrsiformis and P. thyrsiflorus as two different plant. I attach one such >>>>> paper, where P. thyrsiformis is described as the plant with brick-red >>>>> flowers, which agrees with my Phlogacanthus-B. >>>>> I will be happy to have this issue resolved. This discussion which >>>>> already happened at efloraofindia doesn't throw any light on this. >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> Tabish >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:10 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>> Correct name of Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus at FOI >>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Nongmangkha.html> >>>>>> should be Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis. 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