John Wood sort of gave up on this. Here is his last response: ------------------ .... Phlogacanthus (and Acanthaceae) are not very easy to identify without specimens (not so easy with specimens!). Here I have access only to old 19th century specimens and it is not easy to match up photos with specimens. I can do north and north eastern Indian Strobilanthes fairly well from photos but other genera can be difficult!
I will get back to you if I have further thoughts. Regards John ---------------------------------- Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:06 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Tabish ji. > Did you get any more feedback in the matter pl. ? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tabish <[email protected]> > Date: 13 July 2016 at 17:25 > Subject: Re: Phlogacanthus of NE India > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "D.S Rawat" < > [email protected]>, "Dr. Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]>, > Anil Thakur <[email protected]>, barnali dutta < > [email protected]> > > > Here is response from JRI Wood who works on Acanthaceae, including > Strobilanthes, and has published on Phlogacanthus too: > -------------------- > Dear Tabish > Thanks for your enquiry. > Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus and P. thyrsiformis are the same species. The > correct name is Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis. > I think Phlogacanthus A (the orange-flowered one) is P. thysiformis and > Phlogacanthus B is P. vitellinus (P. asperulus in Flora of British India). > It is difficult to be completely sure but I will have a look at the > specimens when I am at Kew on Friday next week. You are right about the > distinctive character of P. pubinervius. I will see if I can find a Polunin > specimen to check this too. > Best regards > John > ---------------------- > Tabish > > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garg ji, >> I may agree that P. thyrsiformis and P. thyrsiflorus might be the same >> species, although clear mention of that I could not find, >> The main problem is that the plant A and B are treated differently by >> people in Manipur. A (orange one) is supposed to have medicinal qualities, >> and is very regularly used in home remedies, B (the red one) is not used >> for this purpose. This all indicates that they might be different species. >> Opinion of experts on this genus might help. >> Tabish >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:44 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Tabish ji. >>> I have a few points to say in this regard: >>> 1. Pictures like A & B has been posted from Uttarakhand & Himachal from >>> where only Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/phlogacanthus/phlogacanthus-thyrsiflorus-1> >>> (all >>> threads herein) has been reported. >>> 2. You can see the list of species found in India as per latest >>> literature at Phlogacanthus >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/phlogacanthus>. >>> Only *P. thyrsiformis* (Roxb. ex Hardw.) Mabb. ( >>> *Karthikeyan et al. (2009)*) is found. *Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus *should >>> thus be a syn. >>> >>> May be experts like Barnali ji (who is working on *Phlogacanthus)*, >>> Rawat ji, Pankaj ji & Anil ji can give more inputs in the matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6 July 2016 at 18:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 6 July 2016 at 17:07 >>>> Subject: Phlogacanthus of NE India >>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Flowers of India <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>> Thanks for reminding about this issue once again. I have been looking >>>> at it, and the issue appears to be complex to me. >>>> Firstly, I agree that Polunin & Stainton wrongly identified (probably) >>>> Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus, as P. pubinervius. >>>> Secondly, there seem to be two different plants in Manipur, locally >>>> considered to be different. I am atatching pictures of them as >>>> Phlogacanthus-A and Phlogacanthus-B. >>>> These two look different to me because >>>> 1. the inside of the flower in Phlogacanthus-B appears to be much more >>>> hairy, compared to Phlogacanthus-A. >>>> 2. The flower shapes look different to me, although can't be too sure >>>> about that >>>> 3. See where the sepals are in the fully open flowers. Look at the >>>> bottom flowers in Phlogacanthus-B-2 for example, in comparison to >>>> Phlogcanthus-A-1 and A-3. >>>> >>>> Description of P. thyrsiflorus in Flora of Brit. India says that bracts >>>> are about as long as sepals, not longer. In the description of P. >>>> thyrsiformis in some papers, the bracts are mentioned to be much longer >>>> than sepals. Makes me wonder if these two are different plants. To me, my >>>> Phlogacanthus-A appears to agree with the herbarium image of Phlogacanthus >>>> thyrsiflorus at Kew: >>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000950020 >>>> but not my Phlogacanthus-B. >>>> >>>> To compound the confusion, some papers seems to consider P. >>>> thyrsiformis and P. thyrsiflorus as two different plant. I attach one such >>>> paper, where P. thyrsiformis is described as the plant with brick-red >>>> flowers, which agrees with my Phlogacanthus-B. >>>> I will be happy to have this issue resolved. This discussion which >>>> already happened at efloraofindia doesn't throw any light on this. >>>> Cheers! >>>> Tabish >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:10 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>> Correct name of Phlogacanthus thyrsiflorus at FOI >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Nongmangkha.html> >>>>> should be Phlogacanthus thyrsiformis. 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