Thank you Chris for taking the time to explain this in detail. I can confirm that there was no strong odour from the plant I photographed and the flower heads were small (about 12mm long and 4mm wide). If we go by Col Collett (I do have a copy of his book and find it a very good resource), this will rule out C. abrotanoides. I will do more research this evening and see if C. trachelifolium is a better match.
Regards, Ashwini > On 28 Sep 2016, at 04:16, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is a new species for me. > > Stewart lists this from N.Pakistan & Kashmir @ 600-2000m. > > Also C.cernuum - common & very variable similar range @ 1000-3000m > > and C.trachelifolium - this was listed in 'Flora of British India' @ 5-7000' > but Stewart had only found this East of Kashmir. > > All three are in 'Flora Simlensis' (do you have a copy, I picked up one, > re-printed by Bishen Singh Mahendra Pal Singh at a modest cost in Shimla > itself I think - many years back). Whilst it is a decent work, with good > content > but has its limitations and some inaccuracies. > > There is a key between the species - C. cernuum apparently common in woods at > Shimla (or > was a century ago). > > C.abrotanoides - not common at Shimla, mainly valleys below Shimla. The > flowers, which > have a powerful odour, were used in Kashmir to dye silk. > > C.trachelifolium - valley below Shimla. > > First part of key 1/2-1 inch diam., solitary, nodding, which rules out > C.cernuum. > > Then, heads not more than 1/4 inch diam - your images do not have a > scale/ruler but they look > small. Heads few, solitary or in small clusters at the end of long, axillary > stalks, leaves broadly lanceolate - > which fits your images - C.trachelifolium > Alternative, numerous heads, axillary, nearly sessile or in axillary racemes, > leaves narrowly lanceolate. > C.abrotanoides. > > I am not convinced by this. Images available on the internet fit with your > plant being C.abrotanoides. > Unfortunately, there are no images of this species available at Kew herbarium > but the one image they have > of C.trachelifolium does not fit. > > So based upon what I can find out to-date, I think Collet in 'Flora > Simlensis' is wrong. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > http://www.shpa.org.uk/ <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> > > > > > > > From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: C CHADWELL <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2016, 13:59 > Subject: Carpesium abrotanoides ABSEP2016/50 > > Could this be Carpesium abrotanoides? Please validate. > > Carpesium abrotanoides > Near Mcleodganj, HP > 1800m approx. > 27 September 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > <_MG_6416_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6441_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6460_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6462_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6425_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6413_27Sep2016.jpg> > > > <_MG_6416_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6441_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6460_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6462_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6425_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6413_27Sep2016.jpg> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
