Thank you Chris. I will be mindful of that. Today I found the plant uprooted (it’s been raining heavily!) and sadly cannot monitor its growth further.
Regards, Ashwini > On 1 Oct 2016, at 13:11, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lovely and informative images of C.trachelifolium from China. > > I agree with you that your images do not match this species. > > They do seem to match C.abrotanoides - always bear in mind when > growth is "secondary" or akin to a "sucker" as your plant appears to be, > the flowering may be fully developed, which can confuse things. > > Have been busy identifying two sets of images from Ladakh. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > http://www.shpa.org.uk/ <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> > > > > > > > From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > Cc: Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>; C CHADWELL > <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 13:57 > Subject: Re: Carpesium abrotanoides ABSEP2016/50 > > According to Flora of Chamba District by Harinder Singh and M. Sharma: > > Lower leaves cordate at base; Carpesium tracheliifolium > > Leaves all sessile or sub sessile, heads sessile or sub sessile; C. > abrotanoides > > > Flora of China: > > Carpesium abrotanoides Linnaeus, Sp. Pl. 860. 1753. > 天名精 tian ming jing > Carpesium thunbergianum Siebold & Zuccarini. > Perennial herbs. Stems 50–100 cm tall, stout, terete, leafy, pubescent > apically, much branched. Lower cauline leaves thin, broadly elliptic to > oblong, 20–28 × 8.5–15 cm, apex obtuse to acute, narrowed at base into a > broadly winged petiole, margins irregularly mucronulate-dentate, > glandular-dotted abaxially, shortly pubescent on both sides; upper leaves > oblong, sessile, gradually smaller, acute. Heads many, 6–8 mm broad, sessile, > spicately arranged, usually without bracts, deflexed in anthesis. Involucre > campanulate-globose, bracts 3-seriate, outer ones shortest, ovate-acuminate, > shortly pubescent, scarious-leathery at base, herbaceous toward apex, median > and inner bracts oblong, rounded at apex. Florets 130–300; corolla of outer > florets cylindric, 1.5–0.5 mm, of central florets 2.5 mm. Achenes ca. 3.5 mm, > beak ca. 0.7 mm. Fl. Aug–Oct, fr. Oct–Dec. 2n = 40. > Roadsides, grassy slopes, thickets, forest margins, streamsides; below > 2800(–3400) m. Anhui, Fujian, Gansu, Guangdong, Guangxi, Guizhou, Hainan, > Henan, Hubei, Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangxi, Shaanxi, Sichuan, Taiwan, Xizang, > Yunnan, Zhejiang [Bhutan, India, Japan, Korea, Myanmar, Nepal, Russia, > Vietnam; SW Asia (Iran)]. > > Carpesium tracheliifolium Lessing, Linnaea 6: 233. 1831. > 粗齿天名精 cu chi tian ming jing > Carpesium cernuum Linnaeus var. tracheliifolium (Lessing) C. B. Clarke. > Plant 30–50 cm; stems usually sparsely pubescent. Leaves ovate, 4–15 × 2–8 > cm, usually acuminate to attenuate at base, subentire to coarsely serrate, > sparsely pubescent on surfaces, with subsessile glands abaxially; lower ones > broadly (narrow) petiolate; upper ones sessile or short petiolate. Capitula > 1–8 in racemes or spikes at branch ends, suberect to pendulous, surrounded by > leafy bracts 4.5–37 × 2–9 mm. Involucre 4- or 5-seriate; phyllaries mostly > oblong, obtuse, scarious, to 3.5–5.2 mm; outer ones sometimes shorter or > herbaceous above or ovate and rounded to acuminate at apex. Disc 2–10 mm in > diam.; corollas ca. 2 mm, tube glabrous or hairy. Achenes 3 mm, narrowed > above to glandular apex. Fl. Jul–Aug, fr. Sep–Oct. > Valleys, forests; 2000–3500 m. Sichuan, Taiwan, Xizang, Yunnan [Nepal]. > > > FOC does not show the distribution of C. tracheliifolium in India but Col > Colett, Flora of Chamba both include it. Further, photographs here > <http://www.plantphoto.cn/tu/581320> show C. tracheliifolium with cordate > leaf bases and very different from my sample. Photos of C. abrotanoides > <http://www.plantphoto.cn/tu/2444539> are closer. > > None of the the texts other than the Flora Simlensis mentions the strong > odour. > > Going by the flowering time, habitat and leaf shapes, and till more evidence > to the contrary I am putting my bets on C. abrotanoides. > > Please advise. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 29 Sep 2016, at 15:28, C CHADWELL <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> OK >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: C CHADWELL <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016, 7:40 >> Subject: Re: Carpesium abrotanoides ABSEP2016/50 >> >> Thank you Chris for taking the time to explain this in detail. I can confirm >> that there was no strong odour from the plant I photographed and the flower >> heads were small (about 12mm long and 4mm wide). If we go by Col Collett (I >> do have a copy of his book and find it a very good resource), this will rule >> out C. abrotanoides. I will do more research this evening and see if C. >> trachelifolium is a better match. >> >> Regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> >>> On 28 Sep 2016, at 04:16, C CHADWELL <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> This is a new species for me. >>> >>> Stewart lists this from N.Pakistan & Kashmir @ 600-2000m. >>> >>> Also C.cernuum - common & very variable similar range @ 1000-3000m >>> >>> and C.trachelifolium - this was listed in 'Flora of British India' @ 5-7000' >>> but Stewart had only found this East of Kashmir. >>> >>> All three are in 'Flora Simlensis' (do you have a copy, I picked up one, >>> re-printed by Bishen Singh Mahendra Pal Singh at a modest cost in Shimla >>> itself I think - many years back). Whilst it is a decent work, with good >>> content >>> but has its limitations and some inaccuracies. >>> >>> There is a key between the species - C. cernuum apparently common in woods >>> at Shimla (or >>> was a century ago). >>> >>> C.abrotanoides - not common at Shimla, mainly valleys below Shimla. The >>> flowers, which >>> have a powerful odour, were used in Kashmir to dye silk. >>> >>> C.trachelifolium - valley below Shimla. >>> >>> First part of key 1/2-1 inch diam., solitary, nodding, which rules out >>> C.cernuum. >>> >>> Then, heads not more than 1/4 inch diam - your images do not have a >>> scale/ruler but they look >>> small. Heads few, solitary or in small clusters at the end of long, >>> axillary stalks, leaves broadly lanceolate - >>> which fits your images - C.trachelifolium >>> Alternative, numerous heads, axillary, nearly sessile or in axillary >>> racemes, leaves narrowly lanceolate. >>> C.abrotanoides. >>> >>> I am not convinced by this. Images available on the internet fit with your >>> plant being C.abrotanoides. >>> Unfortunately, there are no images of this species available at Kew >>> herbarium but the one image they have >>> of C.trachelifolium does not fit. >>> >>> So based upon what I can find out to-date, I think Collet in 'Flora >>> Simlensis' is wrong. >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ <http://www.shpa.org.uk/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Cc: C CHADWELL <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2016, 13:59 >>> Subject: Carpesium abrotanoides ABSEP2016/50 >>> >>> Could this be Carpesium abrotanoides? Please validate. >>> >>> Carpesium abrotanoides >>> Near Mcleodganj, HP >>> 1800m approx. >>> 27 September 2016 >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> <_MG_6416_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6441_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6460_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6462_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6425_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6413_27Sep2016.jpg> >>> >>> >>> <_MG_6416_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6441_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6460_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6462_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6425_27Sep2016.jpg><_MG_6413_27Sep2016.jpg> >> >> >> >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
