Need Expert help! On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 4:44 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: chrischadwell...@btinternet.com <chrischadwell...@btinternet.com> > Date: 13 October 2016 at 16:25 > Subject: Re: Clematis buchananiana DC. > To: efloraofindia <email@example.com> > Cc: jmga...@gmail.com > > > *Sorry this is not C.buchananiana* but *Clematis connata. Probably > C.connata var. pseudoconnata *(which some recognise at a higher rank) but > one cannot see the base of the petioles, which are likely to be dilated and > connate forming disc-like structures. Some are very large/pronounced. The > line drawing in eflora of Pakistan does not show this feature. Always > helpful to be able to view both upper and lower surface of leaves. > > These two species are often mixed-up but *C.connata* has glabrous foliage > whilst *C.buchananiana* is often markedly hairy (esp. on undersides of > leaves). > > 'Flora of Kathmandu Valley' says occurs in dry areas from 1600-2600m for > *C.buchananiana*; 2400-2700m for *C.connata*. They describe flowers of > latter as "golden-brown", which is questionable - perhaps a specimen which > had gone over? > > I consider +/- all the images identified as *C.buchananiana,* see: > https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m-- > -z/r/ranunculaceae/clematis/clematis-buchananiana *in fact come within > Clematis connata* > > *Important to check for presence of disc-like structures on future > occasions (these will vary in prominence). Often 'glabrous' does not mean > entirely without hairs. Typical C.buchananiana is decidedly hairy.* > > *I saw what I understand to be genuine C.buchananiana beyond Naini Tal > some years back but do not have any images to share. Collet said > C.buchananiana was common at Shimla but it seems nobody has photographed > the genuine species and sent images to efloraofIndia. * > > *Cannot find many reliable images of C.buchananiana on internet - a number > have been misidentified. See: > https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Clematis+buchananiana%22&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl#gws_rd=ssl&imgrc=xGyWRRGO0HaS0M%3A > <https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Clematis+buchananiana%22&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl#gws_rd=ssl&imgrc=xGyWRRGO0HaS0M%3A>* > > *If you take a look at the pressed specimens collected by Blinkworth in > Kumaon see: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K001039669 > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K001039669> and by > Wallich (or for Wallich - as many of his specimens were gathered on his > behalf) see: > http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K001039670 > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K001039670> you > will be convinced of the markedly different foliage cf. C.connata and lack > of 'connate' petiole bases.* > > *There will be variants that have less 'softly hairy' undersides to the > leaves.* > > *I have checked the images for C.connata and these look OK (though the > image by Rajesh in VOF has unusual foliage (more images of all the features > would be helpful to check its identity further) to me with the 'connate' > feature being drawn attention to. See: > https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/ranunculaceae/clematis/clematis-connata > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/ranunculaceae/clematis/clematis-connata>* > > *Those who live/visit suitable places, should keep a look out in forests & > shrubberies @ 1800-3000m. Stewart found C.connata to be common in Kashmir > and N.Pakistan @ 1500-2700m. C.buchananiana he only recorded from Kashmir > at Tangmarg and Banihal Valley plus Verinag (though 2 of these records were > 19th Century).* > > *All the evidence suggests C.connata is common in the NW Himalaya, > C.buchananiana less so.* > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 8:42:30 AM UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > >> Dear Members, >> >> Sharing some pictures I guess is *Clematis buchananiana* DC. shot at the >> Chandtagiri Hill Kathmandu on 19 September 2016 at 8200 ft. >> >> Nepali Names : >> >> जुंगे लहरा Junge Laharaa/ भेडे लहरा Bhede Laharaa / बाघ जुंगे Baagh >> Junge / चर्चरे Charchare / घन्टे फूल GhantePhool / खुर्सानी लहरा >> Khursaani Laharaa / पहेंलो जुंगे Pahelo Junge >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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