Both these species *D. denudatum* and *D.kamaonense* have finely dissected leaves, though the images lack any leaves and stem part. The possibility suggested by Chadwell Ji may be more closer as the altitude of collection of this plant is mentioned around 3000m which is well within the altitudinal distribution of *D.kamaonense* (3000-4600m in Kumaon, Uttarakhand). Moreover, this species is reported from Pithoragarh District of Uttarakhand (Pangtey et al. 1988. Contribution to the flora of Pithoragarh district (Kumaun Himalaya) which is adjacent to Nepal. *D.denudatum* has an overlapping range of altitudinal distribution (1800-4000m in W.Himalaya) and known to occur in Pithoragarh district (Pangtey et al. 1988). I have seen only *D. denudatum* in nature and it often occur at around 1000-2200m throughout Uttarakhand. The Kailash-Mansarovar track follows the Kali river valley mainly and I have gone only up to Malipa (2300m); Gunji is far ahead of this place.
DSRawat Pantnagar Dr D.S.Rawat Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home> displaying wild flora of Pantnagar On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:53 PM, C CHADWELL <[email protected] > wrote: > No, I do not consider the images taken near Guni camp are of *D.denudatum* > . > > We are at a considerable disadvantage not being able to properly see the > stem or basal leaves > and with Delphiniums having a side view of the flowers to show the spur > better helps. > > *May I repeat a plea. Please take many more than 1-3 images of just the > flowers and post more. Foliage (both* > *upper & basal leaves, ideally showing lower surface as well), habit, > **habitat > are really important.* > *Without such images one is left trying to work out the picture of a > jigsaw with lots of missing pieces.* > > *It was the standard thing to just take one or two photos focussing on the > flowers only in the past (which is what* > *I did when using slides and the requirement of changing lenses and a > tripod) but modestly-priced second-hand* > *compact digital cameras are now readily available with wonderful lenses > for good close-ups and once into a* > *routine it does not take long to take the requisite images. Such a shame > if missing images make it impossible for* > *us to be sure which species a specimen belongs to or requires vastly more > time and effort on our part. Never easy* > *to return to the site especially when trekking high in the mountains.* > > Nevertheless, I currently think that the best bet would be *D.kamaonense* > - recorded from Kumaon to Central Nepal > @ 3000-4300m. 'Flowers of the Himalaya' say common on open slopes in > Nepal, so quite possible from this location. > > Perhaps Dr Rawat has come across *D.kamaonense* in Uttarakhand? > > Any other suggestions? > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* D. S Rawat <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected]; efloraofindia < > [email protected]>; Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>; > Nidhan Singh <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:32 > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:254590] Kailash-Mansarovar > Yatra::Delphinium Sp for ID NSJ-OCT 16/24 > > Thanks, Rawat ji for your keen eye. > > On 3 Nov 2016 2:15 pm, "D.S Rawat" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Some leaves obscurely visible in background indicate possibility of > D.denudatum. > eFI page on D.denudatum > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/ranunculaceae/delphinium/delphinium-denudatum> > . > > DSRawat Pantnagar > > Dr D.S.Rawat > Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & > Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA > *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home> > displaying wild flora of Pantnagar > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:14 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Narendra Joshi* <[email protected]> > Date: 23 October 2016 at 15:21 > Subject: [efloraofindia:254590] Kailash-Mansarovar Yatra::Delphinium Sp > for ID NSJ-OCT 16/24 > To: indiantreepix <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>> > > > Dear Members, > > Delphinium Sp for ID. 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