Thanks, Chadwell ji On 19 November 2016 at 18:10, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote:
> *I currently cannot put a firm name on this - shall comment further in due > course. *Further to my recent post about photographing Geraniums. I am > far from certain that the true Geranium collinum is found in the Himalaya. > This is a complicated matter. Let me try to explain. It has certainly been > thought to in the past. Stewart e.g. listed this species from the Khardong > La in his 'The Flora of Ladakh' (1916-17) - I have not seen the pressed > specimen but from the altitude and location, I would think this is probably > what I understand to be G.regelii. He also listed G.grandiflorum (which is > now Geranium himalayense). The images above do not come close to my > understanding of either of these species - nor G,.pratense subsp. > stewartianum a specimen of which I saw near Sonamarg which Peter Yeo at > Cambridge identified as this in 1987. Dickore & Klimes (2005) which is the > most up-to-date checklist for Ladakh do not include G.collinum only G. > himalayense, pratense, regelii and sibiricum. > > In 'The Valley of Flowers' book G.pratense, collinum, wallichianum and > grevilleanum (now G.lambertii) were listed. > > In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he draws attention to the problematical > *G.collinum-pratense-himalayense > alliance*. He considered this was particularly critical in the NW > Himalaya with high quality pressed specimens needed (nowadays these can be > supplemented and sometimes replaced by high quality digital images > (provided the advice given below is followed). This alliance has pink to > blue flowers (sometimes white) in which the stamen-tip and stigmas are > never blackish-purple... > > I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make an > additional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having > images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identification and > enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps you > can help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science! > > PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: > > *IF only the first one or two flowers have come out don't bother to > collect as the form of inflorescence will not be evident.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The rootstock is important; get enough to show whether compact or > creeping, or annual. You can photograph the base of the plant which should > provide this information. Clearly, one requires permission from the > authorities to uproot a plant. There is still a need and indeed role for > the collection of pressed specimens for herbaria in India but that is > primarily the domain of staff of botanic gardens/ institutions. In the > early stages of flowering look out for the best-developed unripe fruits > available. If fruit is ripe try to include both dehisced and undehisced > states. If the fruits are falling with the seeds inside them, collect > some (many geraniums disperse their seed explosively but some seed is often > retained). Include some loose petals when pressing (detach if > necessary). Expose stamens to show filament shape and hairs by taking 2 or > 3 sepals off a flower from which petals have recently dropped. Smoothing > out one or two leaves and flowers as you close the press may be helpful; a > few separately pressed basal and lower/middle stem leaves are often useful. > Wilted specimens can be very misleading. Notes should be taken as to > flower posture, colour and patterning of petals, colour of stigmas, anthers > and distal parts of filaments (not necessary if your photos show these). > And don't forget to ensure the stipules are clearly shown - something that > would have been obviously in pressed specimens, so not mentioned above by > Yeo.* > > > On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 8:05:08 PM UTC+1, Dinesh Valke wrote: > >> [image: Valley of Flowers] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7795632618%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfiscXcV1ezkljkoVaSBkd-7VO2FQ> >> 2 AUG 12 >> Valley of Flowers ... about 11000 - 12000 ft >> ------------------------------ >> Dear friends, ID please. >> *Habitat*: sloping meadow >> *Habit*: small herb, about 50 cm high, flower about 15 - 20 mm across >> >> >> [image: P1010803] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832711692%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdkUo73Kc5542fOWEtbS9AflbL5pw> >> >> [image: P1560952] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832670036%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcaMbLta2Eb031aFjfqG4rjzIlO2g> >> [image: P1010805] >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832704716%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzd4fC6F6K_d1XHzFK7uJUgH19V4OQ> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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