Thank you, Chadwell ji. Regards. Dinesh On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 6:14 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks, Chadwell ji > > On 19 November 2016 at 18:10, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> *I currently cannot put a firm name on this - shall comment further in >> due course. *Further to my recent post about photographing Geraniums. I >> am far from certain that the true Geranium collinum is found in the >> Himalaya. This is a complicated matter. Let me try to explain. It has >> certainly been thought to in the past. Stewart e.g. listed this species >> from the Khardong La in his 'The Flora of Ladakh' (1916-17) - I have not >> seen the pressed specimen but from the altitude and location, I would think >> this is probably what I understand to be G.regelii. He also listed >> G.grandiflorum (which is now Geranium himalayense). The images above do >> not come close to my understanding of either of these species - nor >> G,.pratense subsp. stewartianum a specimen of which I saw near Sonamarg >> which Peter Yeo at Cambridge identified as this in 1987. Dickore & Klimes >> (2005) which is the most up-to-date checklist for Ladakh do not include >> G.collinum only G. himalayense, pratense, regelii and sibiricum. >> >> In 'The Valley of Flowers' book G.pratense, collinum, wallichianum and >> grevilleanum (now G.lambertii) were listed. >> >> In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he draws attention to the problematical >> *G.collinum-pratense-himalayense >> alliance*. He considered this was particularly critical in the NW >> Himalaya with high quality pressed specimens needed (nowadays these can be >> supplemented and sometimes replaced by high quality digital images >> (provided the advice given below is followed). This alliance has pink to >> blue flowers (sometimes white) in which the stamen-tip and stigmas are >> never blackish-purple... >> >> I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make an >> additional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having >> images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identification and >> enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps you >> can help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science! >> >> PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: >> >> *IF only the first one or two flowers have come out don't bother to >> collect as the form of inflorescence will not be evident.* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * The rootstock is important; get enough to show whether compact or >> creeping, or annual. You can photograph the base of the plant which should >> provide this information. Clearly, one requires permission from the >> authorities to uproot a plant. There is still a need and indeed role for >> the collection of pressed specimens for herbaria in India but that is >> primarily the domain of staff of botanic gardens/ institutions. In the >> early stages of flowering look out for the best-developed unripe fruits >> available. If fruit is ripe try to include both dehisced and undehisced >> states. If the fruits are falling with the seeds inside them, collect >> some (many geraniums disperse their seed explosively but some seed is often >> retained). Include some loose petals when pressing (detach if >> necessary). Expose stamens to show filament shape and hairs by taking 2 or >> 3 sepals off a flower from which petals have recently dropped. Smoothing >> out one or two leaves and flowers as you close the press may be helpful; a >> few separately pressed basal and lower/middle stem leaves are often useful. >> Wilted specimens can be very misleading. Notes should be taken as to >> flower posture, colour and patterning of petals, colour of stigmas, anthers >> and distal parts of filaments (not necessary if your photos show these). >> And don't forget to ensure the stipules are clearly shown - something that >> would have been obviously in pressed specimens, so not mentioned above by >> Yeo.* >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 8:05:08 PM UTC+1, Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >>> [image: Valley of Flowers] >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7795632618%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfiscXcV1ezkljkoVaSBkd-7VO2FQ> >>> 2 AUG 12 >>> Valley of Flowers ... about 11000 - 12000 ft >>> ------------------------------ >>> Dear friends, ID please. >>> *Habitat*: sloping meadow >>> *Habit*: small herb, about 50 cm high, flower about 15 - 20 mm across >>> >>> >>> [image: P1010803] >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832711692%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdkUo73Kc5542fOWEtbS9AflbL5pw> >>> >>> [image: P1560952] >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832670036%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcaMbLta2Eb031aFjfqG4rjzIlO2g> >>> [image: P1010805] >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832704716%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzd4fC6F6K_d1XHzFK7uJUgH19V4OQ> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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