Dear Dr Singh
Thanks for drawing my attention to this - I tend not to pay much attention to
all the different name changes formost plants.
I see there is a var. himalaicum, which perhaps exhibits the closer/overlapping
petals cf. the forms from the Gulfsuch as:
http://www.floraofqatar.com/geranium_mascatense.htm
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
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From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2016, 19:10
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:257138] Re: Morni Hills 2014: Geranium
mascatense:: NS Feb 05
I don't have my literature here in USA but looking at Tropicos, there
combinations under G. mascatense were proposed as early as 1976 by Raizada in
Suppl. Duthie's Fl. Upper Gangetic Plain 4: 36, but I don't find any reference
merging G. ocellatum proper under G. mascatense. It would be interesting to
look up treatment in Flora of India Series, published after Raizada.
http://www.tropicos.org/NameSearch.aspx?name=Geranium+mascatense
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
There seems to be different interpretations of Geranium mascatense and
G.ocellatum. This specimen does not show gaps between petals as is usually the
case in photos of plants of G.mascatense in the Gulf - see below.
'The Plant List' gives G.ocellatum as a synonym of the former. Whereas Nasir
in 'Flora of Pakistan' separates the two. Stewart does not list G,mascatenseat
all but has G.ocellatum var. himalaicum as common from 300-1800m. Nasir, on
the other hand, says that G.mascatense is only sparingly recorded from Pakistan
and then only in Baluchistan.
G.mascatense is recorded from Africa and the Gulf - so Baluchistan fits OK with
this. Collet had G.ocellatum in hill districts of N.India from same altitudes
as Stewart. IF they constitute separate species, I find it somewhat surprising
to have G.mascatense in the Himalayan foothills.
I do not know on whose authority G.ocellatum has been sunk into G.mascatense.
According to Nasir the species are very close but G.mascatense has puberulous
mericarps - translating that into English: in Geranium the dry fruits consists
of 5 'mericarps' each with a seed, which may be explosively dispersed though
sometimes remains inside) the 'puberulous' part means downy with very short
soft hairs. So clearly, unless one can observe the fruits of a geranium this
characteristic cannot be ascertained. No doubt Nasir knew of other differences.
Taking a quick look at the images for G.mascastense available on the internet,
most show marked gaps between the petals (as do the images taken in Muscat in
the posting above this) compared with images of specimens from the foothills of
the NW Himalaya (incl. the one near Chakki) which may constitute sufficient to
justify them as separate taxa but without careful study of the whole plants
cannot speculate if that is sufficient (or a consistent difference) to justify
separation as varieties, subspecies or at the species level but the
geographic/altitudinal/ climatic differences may be of significance.
Cannot comment further at this stage.
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 at 8:41:59 AM UTC, Nidhan Singh wrote:
Dear All,
This beautiful Geranium..having deep coloured centre of corolla was also
encountered during my recent visit to Morni Hills..I hope this should be
Geranium mascatense Boiss.
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Regards,
Dr. Nidhan SinghAssistant Professor
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227
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